A few thoughts from me...
1. Too early to be too high/low on Turner in any area. He'll have better defensive nights than that; he'll have worse offensive nights than that. What I do like, though, is that quite a few of the shots he was making...Granger couldn't make, or wasn't taking anymore. It's a new look. If he's efficient with it, I like it. If nothing else, it's going to make opponents go back to the tape a little bit on the second unit.
2. Ian has had 5 or 6 pretty damn good games now, although I thought his first half was pretty bad on both ends. Consistency is the name of the game for Ian. I say it all the time: he has the skill set, he doesn't have the consistency. If he can develop the latter, the former should shine and elevate him to "good bench player" status.
3. Scola's jump shot is just dead. RIP. Months now. I was intrigued by his play near the rim, though, which a lot of folks have argued should be his focus all along. He was crafty around the rim last night. One, he's trying really hard there because he knows he's not helping from midrange. Two, that is perhaps his more natural contribution anyway. Be interested to see if he can re-develop himself on this team a bit in that area. If not, Vogel HAS to go to Copeland. But I'm willing to give Scola a little more time if he can figure things out at the rim.
4. Why can't CJ Watson play like that every night? That's a HUGE difference off the bench...
5. Pacers did that killswitch thing again last night. It almost always happens on defense. Team plays lackluster, uninspired, passive defense for most of the game...and then decides to get pissed off and get their hands in there. Paul George led the charge there. Best hounding defense I've seen him play in quite some time, and you could tell he was doing it because he was pissed off. Don't get why this is the exception to the rule (for everyone) more often than not lately. This team should always be playing with an edge on defense. I get that an 82-game season wears on you, and you won't bring it every night. But this is the first time I remember them turning on the defensive jets in...a month? Months? Love to see it, but it's frustrating to know they're fully capable of doing this (and really, built to do this) and still play so far south of their capabilities here of late.
Hard to really judge this game except to say the lakers are awful. Coached awful, play awful, everything is just awful.
I thought the pacers for 2 and a half quarters were not much better, they were sleep walking through the game, and then played a good 6 minutes to put the game away. Wow the Lakers are bad. no defense, terrible offense, no structure to their offense.
I like Gasol's comments.
Gasol wasn't buying the Lakers-initially-played-well story line.
"Better teams take it easy in the first half and then when they see the game is kind of close or they're fooling around with the game, they step it up in the third," he said. "I've been on the other side of it and I've done it many times."
Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-26-2014 at 08:59 AM.
The most exciting thing about Turner's debut, was he came in and immediately tried to do exactly what we brought him in to do. When he first got in the game and was playing with the other four starters, he took a mostly deferential role and tried to help facilitate. When he was in with more bench players, he tried to take over. That's exactly what we had to be hoping for. Even if his shot hadn't been falling, just knowing that he was able and willing to play that role, is extremely encouraging. It's a major upgrade for this team considering what we had to give up.
Can't ask for much more out of a guy who has been with the team for 5 days.
EDIT: As a couple others have mentioned, he got caught over pursuing a few times on the perimeter. This is mostly a coaching/scheme issue, Philly sells out for steal chances all the time. Evan will have to learn to trust in Roy and his teammates, if he does that I actually really liked what I saw. He's got a good sense of when to play help D, and as reported he's pretty damn good around screens and fighting through traffic on D. He's no Paul, but he's actually better at this specific part of defense than Lance is. If he stops biting hard for passes and learns to just stay home, I think he will be very good. I also think he's got the ability to both Wade in the post when he tries to go for those turnaround jumpers.
Somebody pointed it out on twitter last night, but at one point Lance had a moment where he made the wrong switch on D, and Evan was the one who corrected him. Lance actually took the correction well, and they seemed to have a good on court vibe going with each other. Was really, really impressed with that pairing honestly. A couple sequences I loved from them, one was in the fourth when ET went one on one with his guy around half court, he made some nice moves, threw down a spin and a couple behind the leg moves and then tossed it to Lance. Lance then went one on one and did some nice dribbling moves before popping the J and hitting it. It was fun to see two guys with that kind of skill and creativity on the court together. Not many teams (if any) that have a pair of wings with the ball handling abilities of Evan and Lance.
I also liked the play where Evan tried to throw the oop to Lance, it didn't connect, but if it had my head might have exploded. That is the kind of free flowing basketball we need from those two, it's not always going to work perfectly, but I think the more they get on the same page the more fun they are going to have playing together.
Don't hurt 'em Larry.
Last edited by Trader Joe; 02-26-2014 at 09:53 AM.
Plus the lakers players are strong one on one dribble drive guys. Their stupid chuckers but they can still fill it up just like Nick Young did against Lebron a few weeks back.
Also, Evan's end of 3rd pass to CJ for the THREE J was a perfect encapsulation of how I think his game will change now that he's here. In Philly, Evan is absolutely taking that mid range jumper, but as we saw he has the skills and vision to make the very nice over the top jump pass there and I absolutely loved the way he confidently turned and started walking back towards the Pacers bench before CJ even took the shot. I know some would say they'd like to see him crash the boards there, but I thought showing that sort of confidence in your teammate (and knowing that a corner 3 is his strength) was pretty impressive. That was maybe my favorite ET play of the night and he had several I was really happy with.
As far as differences in the second unit? I saw more movement. No one camping out at the three point line and just staying there. Energy is contagious.
I don't like what is Frank doing now with Scola and Copeland.
I'm a big fan of Scola's old game but he has been struggling for quite some time. It's not like he offers us a supreme defensive presence so you are hard pressed to bench him. Quite the opposite.
If you are determined to give Butler a chance, then do it for Copeland too. Am not talking for something definite too either. Just try it out a bit. Cope will offer some good spacing for the team and shooting wise, he can't do any worse than Sola right now.
Scola was pretty solid on the boards last night, but his jumper is def borked. I dunno if I can blame it fully on the elbow or not, but something is off. What was really disappointing is that Lance and Evan were setting him up perfectly on the pick and pop too all night. I think he probably left 4 makes out there last night that he would usually hit. And if you're going to run the pick and pop why not let Cope get that run? That being said Cope was terrible in his 6 minutes last night. Worst stint of the season for him. He was not locked in on either end and there was a play on a Pacers turnover where he could have gotten back and chose not to.
I really think Turner is giving us a needed boost of energy. The guy hadn't won a game since JANUARY 29TH. He has to be over the moon to be here and I think the Pacers desperately needed that sort of boost. We had definitely gotten bored.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
But if he gets the ball with just 5 or 6 seconds left in the quarter, he usually makes something good of it. He seems to be much better at making things happen on the move than he is with waiting on the clock - then trying to move. I'm sure giving the defenses time to set up doesn't help, but I also think we need to just forget about working the clock for the last shot. Just play like you would on any other possession.
EDIT: One other thing. Our guys have to learn that a low pass to a 7'2" guy is asking for a problem.
Last edited by Tom White; 02-26-2014 at 11:21 AM.
ET is the most awkward looking / decent defender I've seen. He looks like hes getting beat bad, but usually recovers and contests the shot. His baseline jumper is really really good, it a difficult place on the floor for defenses to address. He handles the ball really well, sees the floor pretty well.
I was going to compare DG and ET, but I don't see the point. I'll say this much, I don't see how ET can guard Lebron or Dwade for even a moment, which DG could maybe give you something on Lebron. ET doesn't stretch the floor from 3, but he does bring that baseline game that will open things up. Overall, great first game, he looks smart to pick things up that quick and he's unafraid which you can't have enough of those guys.
He's a playmaker and maybe a glue guy for that 2nd unit, exactly what they needed. We'll know more next week when they play better teams.
I totally disagree. That is a pretty put together passing motion for someone throwing a desperate pass.
Play starts at like 1:30 in that video.
ET was rarely out of control last night, and all of his shots seemed to come within the natural offensive flow. That pass to CJ was a split second decision due to the fact that Watson's defender came to double team at the last second.
Outside of the Vogel weave, that was probably the best "end of the quarter" possession the Pacers have had all season.
did yall see when Lance stole Scola's rebound and then ran into Scola and turned it over. Scola was more pissed than I'd seen him. Lance is getting on everybody's nerves stealing the rebounds. (That said, if its 50-50 bigs should let Lance have it so he can push it faster.)
I'm starting to believe Bynum IS here just to keep him away from Miami... :-(
Here's a more convenient video of that play (taken from the awesome nba.com stats page that has individual video of tons of stats during the games now): http://on.nba.com/1c6pZz8
Looks pretty deliberate to me.
Seems that ET's midrange game and driving to the basket absolutely will help against a team like Miami, making whomever chase him around screens, force switches and doubles and open the kick to our outside shooters or the picker on the pick n pop. Much like Rip Hamilton but with ET, his first choice is to get to the basket... Rip's was his midrange jumper.
Scola's still pulling boards and playing defense, which indicates the confidence in Cope, who can obviously shoot, but needs to work on the other end of the court.