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    Not sure we'd play two point guards together off the bench.
    Jimmer is in the same vein that GH is a PG......both are really ComboGuards that can pretend to be a PG but is more of a SG. GH is way better at it than Jimmer is....but I don't consider Jimmer a real PG by any stretch of the imagination.
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    Thats a bad defensive line up and I don't think we go with the bench mob approach. I would much rather Lance run with Freddete and take Watson out of that line up and put in West instead of Scola.
    It's a good offensive line-up, though. Right now that second unit plays mediocre D and limited offense. It feels like opposing teams go on pretty huge runs against our second unit. I guess the tactic would be to at least try to stay ahead while that unit is in, rather than augmenting their terrible +/- lol...

    http://www.82games.com/1314/1314IND2.HTM

    Our starting unit has a +246. The next unit has a +10. Huge drop-off. Our second unit struggles to score.

    It's just a thought. I understand the concept of continuing to play defense when our starters take a break... I'd be more satisfied if that second unit actually did that.
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    Have you not seen any of his BYU days? There isn't any NBA hype, it's all from him stealing souls in college. Watching him then was great TV. Pulling up from 10ft behind the 3pt line with a defender closing out on him was unbelieveable.
    He agree, he was absolutely ridiculous in college. I was referring to the NBA hype, or lack of, rather.

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    Jimmer is in the same vein that GH is a PG......both are really ComboGuards that can pretend to be a PG but is more of a SG. GH is way better at it than Jimmer is....but I don't consider Jimmer a real PG by any stretch of the imagination.
    Interesting. I don't think the move needs to be made? But arming yourself with more weapons for a match up with Miami couldn't hurt. Especially one that can shoot. It'll be interesting to see what Larry does. If he's aware of the Jimmer buyout at all.

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    It's a good offensive line-up, though. Right now that second unit plays mediocre D and limited offense. It feels like opposing teams go on pretty huge runs against our second unit. I guess the tactic would be to at least try to stay ahead while that unit is in, rather than augmenting their terrible +/- lol...

    http://www.82games.com/1314/1314IND2.HTM

    Our starting unit has a +246. The next unit has a +10. Huge drop-off. Our second unit struggles to score.

    It's just a thought. I understand the concept of continuing to play defense when our starters take a break... I'd be more satisfied if that second unit actually did that.
    I think Bynum and Turner makes this a much better second unit offensively already but they still need to mix it up defensively. Scola is bad and I hoping Turner and Bynum it was just a lack of effort.

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    I think Bynum and Turner makes this a much better second unit offensively already but they still need to mix it up defensively. Scola is bad and I hoping Turner and Bynum it was just a lack of effort.


    Turner and Bynum are good players in the right environment. Bynum never really had any problems with effort or locker room until he got to Cleveland. I still think that was the environment more than anything. Turner in Philly, was expected to be the second coming of Melo in Philadelphia. That was not gonna happen.

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    Turner and Bynum are good players in the right environment. Bynum never really had any problems with effort or locker room until he got to Cleveland. I still think that was the environment more than anything. Turner in Philly, was expected to be the second coming of Melo in Philadelphia. That was not gonna happen.
    I am speaking about their defense. I think they can play good defense but I doubt Jimmer can regardless.

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    Sounding like Jimmer to Memphis once he gets released.
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    It's a good offensive line-up, though. Right now that second unit plays mediocre D and limited offense. It feels like opposing teams go on pretty huge runs against our second unit. I guess the tactic would be to at least try to stay ahead while that unit is in, rather than augmenting their terrible +/- lol...

    http://www.82games.com/1314/1314IND2.HTM

    Our starting unit has a +246. The next unit has a +10. Huge drop-off. Our second unit struggles to score.

    It's just a thought. I understand the concept of continuing to play defense when our starters take a break... I'd be more satisfied if that second unit actually did that.
    What I don't understand is why Vogel doesn't do a better job of "mixing and matching" the lineups between the 1st and 2nd unit. He has a tendency to run with the 2nd unit of CJ / Lance / Granger ( who will be replaced by Turner ) / Scola / Mahinmi.

    It just seems that having both CJ and Scola on the floor at the same time is a bad idea as both have a tendency to be "hot and cold'...unfortunately at the same time. Add in that Mahinmi is non-existent on the offensive end......you can have a lineup where 3 of the Players aren't a factor on offense.

    I wonder why he doesn't have West play more with Mahinmi.....or more Scola with Hibbert to balance out the scoring ( especially given Scola's recent slump ).

    As cdash has suggested....given Turner's lack of 3pt shooting....I really want to see a lineup of CJ/GH/Turner/Copeland/Hibbert ( or some GH or CJ / Turner / PG24 / Copeland / Hibbert lineup ) to see how well that works. Hibbert for the rim protection...Copeland and some 2 man combination of GH/CJ/PG24 to spread the floor ( since Turner will primarily fill the mid-range jumpshooting role that Scola fills and can attack the basket more ). I'm not suggesting that Turner does most of the ball handling when he's on the floor.....I just want to see a more dynamic scoring lineup in the 2nd unit than the one that we see now.
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    Nah. We've already turned over half the roster from last year. Frankly it's pretty damn late in the year for Frank to be finagling with what's hopefully a championship rotation.

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    Makes sense. Memphis has problems shooting the ball. Surprised the Knicks aren't all over this. Don't they still need a PG? Especially now with 'John Wayne Felton' looking at being away from the team after the gun incident?

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    Makes sense. Memphis has problems shooting the ball. Surprised the Knicks aren't all over this. Don't they still need a PG? Especially now with 'John Wayne Felton' looking at being away from the team after the gun incident?

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    Nah. We've already turned over half the roster from last year. Frankly it's pretty damn late in the year for Frank to be finagling with what's hopefully a championship rotation.
    I'm not suggesting putting in Butler or Copeland ( although I do like what I saw when he subbed in for Scola ) while reducing the minutes of the Wing rotation, I'm suggesting that Vogel does more mixing and matching in the primary 9 man rotation that we use to see if that improves the offense/defense in the 2nd unit.

    I think that a lineup where we see CJ/Turner/Scola/Mahinmi on the floor for a large # of minutes ( this is the 2nd most used lineup that Vogel uses ) throughout the season can be fine tuned.....cuz honestly, that lineup is the weakest that we have.

    It may mean earlier subbing in and out of certain Players so that we can see more rotations involving West/Mahinmi and Scola/Hibbert......but I don't get the sense that it would be a major change that the primary 9 man rotation isn't used to.

    I don't see how a lineup where we see more lineups where there are 3 Primary Starters on the floor....as opposed to 1 or 2....can make things any worse. If anything, I'd hope that it would improve the overall rotation.
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    We have this guy named Chris Copeland who just about single-handedly beat us a game last year in the playoffs with his 3's, how about they play him some.

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    We need to grab Fredette quick so we'll have someone who can shoot the new 4 point shot.

    NBA president of basketball operations Rod Thorn and vice president Kiki Vandeweghe have acknowledged in an interview with ESPN.com that the league office, at least in an exploratory fashion, has weighed expanding the dimensions of the court and the introduction of a 4-point shot.
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    We have this guy named Chris Copeland who just about single-handedly beat us a game last year in the playoffs with his 3's, how about they play him some.
    I agree wholeheartedly. But the way CJ's shot is looking these days, I am tempted to bring in Jimmer at back up PG.

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    We have this guy named Chris Copeland who just about single-handedly beat us a game last year in the playoffs with his 3's, how about they play him some.
    Agree, just a shorter version of Copeland it seems. And although he's an upgrade over Sloan shooting-wise, if we get down to the point where injuries necessitate us giving our 3rd PG big minutes, I'd rather have a reliable ball handler, something I'm not sold that Jimmer is. I'd really worry that Jimmer would end up being a one-trick pony and huge defensive liability.

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    We need to grab Fredette quick so we'll have someone who can shoot the new 4 point shot.


    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10...t-4-point-shot



    Ideas like that may make me never watch basketball again. That'll just create 4-point chuckers.

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    Antoine Walker retired too soon...


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    Jimmer has shown me absolutely nothing in his time with Sacramento to make me Want to sign him at all

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    He's like a short Adam Morrison or Trajan Langdon. He can shoot but he is just so slow on defense that it would drive me nuts.

    I'd rather give more minutes to Butler and Copeland if we need a shooter to help spread the floor.
    Off-topic, and I know his nickname "Alaskan assassin" was good enough, but I always thought Langdon's nickname should've been the Trajan Man.
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    Antoine Walker retired too soon...

    Nope...that just means that it is time for Walker to come out of retirement.
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    Jimmer has shown me absolutely nothing in his time with Sacramento to make me Want to sign him at all
    Not even as a three point shooting specialist? Although, I do agree we have that already in Copeland.

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    Not even as a three point shooting specialist? Although, I do agree we have that already in Copeland.
    Nope. We have plenty of guys who can hit the three.

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