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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • #31
    Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

    Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
    I care because there are more talented players out there that don't have the same name recognition aren't getting a shot because a team wants to cash in on some good publicity especially with all the high expectations they had for the season only to be rather disappointing.

    Having this takes some of that heat away from them.
    BS. Brooklyn only had 13 players on their roster before this. They still have a roster spot open after the Collins signing. At least that's according to their listed roster on the team site. http://www.nba.com/nets/roster

    Not a single player in the league is losing out on a job due to this, so let's stop with the crocodile tears over the poor players who suddenly are missing out on 10-day contracts, or to turn this into some kind of affirmative-action argument.

    Seriously it's really odd that this seems to be bothering you so much.
    Last edited by rabid; 02-23-2014, 05:46 PM.

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    • #32
      Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

      Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
      If you don't want the thread to go there I get it, but is it? I feel like the media'll make a big thing of it but no one actually cares. Same deal with the Michael Sam story, he said he hasn't fielded a single question about it from the teams interviewing him at the combine. It's just all media sensationalism.
      You do realize that players were asked about their sexual preference at last year's combine, right? Sam simply answered it preemptively.

      Of course no team was going to ask him about it at the combine after it already became national news. Any team that did would get killed in the media

      If nobody truly "cared," it wouldn't have taken a century for an active pro male athlete to come out of the closet.
      Last edited by Kstat; 02-23-2014, 05:57 PM.

      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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      • #33
        Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

        Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
        I care because there are more talented players out there that don't have the same name recognition aren't getting a shot because a team wants to cash in on some good publicity especially with all the high expectations they had for the season only to be rather disappointing.

        Having this takes some of that heat away from them.

        But its a 10 day contract so in the end it will be a blink and you'll miss move. If he gets more than 10 days here I'll be surprised considering he's not that good. Its just that this whole thing screams politics to me rather than basketball talent.
        He's a 12 year vet. Obviously he's on his last legs, but the fact remains he's still 7 feet tall with experience and knows how to play the game.

        Saying "well if he lasts longer than 10 days then he obviously didn't earn it" it flat out ridiculous. It's like you're hoping that happens so you can go on a rant to justify your prejudices against this move.

        It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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        • #34
          Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

          Also, my understanding is that Glenn Burke was the first openly gay sportsperson.
          You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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          • #35
            Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

            No, Collins isn't (and probably never was) a very good basketball player. And that's kind of the point, that a fringe NBA everyman who happens to have a different sexual orientation can have a shot at a 10-day contract like every other 7 footer out there.

            Anyway, I'm choosing to be encouraged by all the "so what?" responses. Society must truly be progressing, to the point that the first openly gay NBA player isn't regarded as news

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            • #36
              Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

              Depends what you're looking for. He didn't last 12 years in the nba because he was totally incompetent. He can defend the post pretty well and he can grab defensive rebounds, both things Brooklyn badly needs.

              He's terrible at everything else, but they aren't looking for anything else.

              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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              Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
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              • #37
                Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

                Originally posted by shags View Post
                Eventually, no one will care. We're not there yet, but we're close. And that's great.
                I suppose somebody must care. Really, more than anything it's odd that anyone cares now. Back in the late 1980's this would be huge news. In the 1990's it would be big news. But since 2000, I don't think so.

                It wasn't big news when John Amaechi jumped out of the closet. Only difference is he was recently retired. Seriously, this is odd particularly since we've all known Jason Collins is gay. That by itself is quite old news.

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                • #38
                  Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

                  Originally posted by dal9 View Post
                  Come on now, arguably, Jason Collins is better at basketball than Jackie Robinson would have been!
                  Actually that probably isn't true basketball was one of Jackie's best sports. He was better at basketball than baseball according to most books I have read on him. He actually played some pro basketball. I bet Jackie was a better player than Collins. The Harlem Rens(best team of his era) wanted him so did the Trotters
                  Last edited by pacer4ever; 02-23-2014, 06:45 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

                    Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                    Well, it's a sign of the normalization of homosexuality within mainstream culture and, more importantly, a segment of mainstream culture generally hostile toward homosexuality. It's a big deal.
                    What segment of society are you saying is "generally hostile toward homosexuality"? NBA basketball players?

                    If so, I suspect your reaction is more based on the fact NBA basketball players are in front of a mic. That is, NBA basketball players are no different than your garden variety person on this topic.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

                      I wonder if the NBA will retire his #35 league wide like baseball did with Jackie Robinson's 42? Someday down the line, Kevin Durant might be the last player grandfathered in with the #35, just like Mariano Rivera was with Jackie Robinson's #42.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

                        Why is this news worthy? So what he's gay, why is homosexuality more of a sin than fornication, adultery, lying, stealing, using profane language, lusting? Seriously our world is so messed up. WE ARE ALL SINNERS. We should not as GOD's children pass judgement on another person.

                        John 8:7
                        King James Version (KJV)
                        7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
                        I'm not perfect and neither are you.

                        Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
                        Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

                          Wait, he gets signed and immediately thrust into the starting lineup?
                          "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

                            Warriors game last night reinforced how bad the Nets interior D is when KG isn't in. Collins is a bad offensive players, but has consistently been one of the best paint protectors in the league. Good signing if he's healthy/in shape

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                            • #44
                              Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

                              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                              He's a 12 year vet. Obviously he's on his last legs, but the fact remains he's still 7 feet tall with experience and knows how to play the game.

                              Saying "well if he lasts longer than 10 days then he obviously didn't earn it" it flat out ridiculous. It's like you're hoping that happens so you can go on a rant to justify your prejudices against this move.


                              What exactly am I saying that's prejudiced here? I'm calling this out for what it is a blatant PR stunt I mean before he came out Jason Collins couldn't really buy his way into the league the past couple of seasons. Now because he came out him being signed is newsworthy even though he's not that great a player to begin with.

                              Just comes across as politics rather than basketball talent here. Between this and the NFL cracking down on the N-word(even though they have a team called the Redskins) I feel like sports isn't really sports anymore.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Jason Collins about to sign 10 day contract with Nets expected to start tonight vs Lakers

                                Don't think I've ever seen a topic with more people making a point to tell you how much they "don't care"....

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