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Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

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  • #16
    Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
    Good read. Turner will drive you mad at times. I know when I watched him a lot(his rookie and 2nd year)he made so many terrible decisions. He takes so many bad shots, and bad basketball plays. It will be interesting to see if we can break him of these habits. I don't know who said he was a smart player(I read it earlier), but from everything I know about him, and all the tape I have watched he is far from a good decision maker.


    I did watch him play a few times this season. I thought he was getting to the hole a lot more. He was still taking hard shots though. Hard to take a lot from watching that Philly team a bunch of hot garbage. I hope teh personal around him will help him.
    I was the poster you're referring to. I didn't say he was a smart player, just smarter than Lance. I know he has a bit of a higher turnover average than Lance, but he was miscast as a number one option, so he had to attempt to do a bit more than what he should be. You thought that Lance plays harder, and when Lance is "on" I agree, but when things don't go Lance's way he tends to sulk.

    I own league pass so I watch quite a bit of basketball. I've taken in about 10 games of the 76ers this year, and I guess what I saw was different that the analysis of Turner's game.

    I saw a guy that is a plus ball handler for a wing, can break his man down and get to the basket or to the FT line, which is something we desperately need. (right now he averages 4.2 FTA/gm which would be second on the team) He's also got a nice mid range game. Without having to worry about the opposing teams top defender guarding him, he should be able to find easier ways to score.

    Bird has always gunned for a 6th man that can get his own shot and get buckets (infatuations with Jamal Crawford, OJ Mayo, etc) and I think Turner fits that criteria.

    I agree wholeheartedly with the fact that the rotation needs to change and we need Hill in the game as opposed to Lance with the second unit. Allow Turner to handle the ball and look to score, while Hill and CJ spot up. Turner and Lance should limit their time on the court together however.

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    • #17
      Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

      I never know a player until they either play on the Pacers or the Pacers play against him in a playoff series. Of course I know them much better when they are a Pacer vs just playing against in a playoff series.

      So while I have watched him a number of times, I don't know him well enough to know.

      My guess is he is a mariginal help over Danny this season and decent insurance in case we cannot re-sign lance.

      But my expectations are in check for Turner. Overall impact if he is as good or slightly better than CJ Watson I'll be thrilled.
      Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-21-2014, 12:07 PM.

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      • #18
        Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

        I remembered him as a good ball handler, creater & efficient mid-range scorer at Ohio State. Also thought of him as a solid if not spectacular defender. The turnover stats, defensive stats and comments from Zach Lowe (whose opinion I respect) are troubling enough that now I have cooled on the trade a bit.

        Based on personal observations from watching them both play this year I still believe him to be a solid upgrade over Granger but now question his real worth as "Lance" insurance. Looking more & more like a playoff run rental to me.

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        • #19
          Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

          Danny's a great scorer/shooter, a good one on one defender against non speed. Turner can make guys around him better with his passing and playmaking. They are really two different players. Turner, if he adapts, could be a 3rd guy in that bench who can make guys around him get better shots, so it doesn't completely fall on Lance. BTW, Scola is the 2nd guy imo. He's not a great passer necessarily, but he understands the game from a spacing and awareness perspective.

          Offensively, I really like the potential of that 2nd group with Turner, they needed another guy who can make the pass before the pass and see plays developing. That's just not Granger. Hopefully Turner hasn't played in such a bad brand of basketball that he can fall back into this.

          I blame the bad teams and coaching for Danny becoming a scorer and not more, but I also blame his injury. It's tough to undo years of chuck 'em mentality and its not really his fault, its what they needed at that time.

          Turner sees they floor, Danny never has. I hope defensively this is at least a push. That's my main concern as much as I like Turner's Bball IQ offensively, I don't recall ever thinking he was that smart defensively in the team concept and he's limited in foot speed one on one. Much like DG, actually.

          I don't know if Turner is a tough as Danny and I don't know if this impacts team chemistry much, but thats for David West to police. Those intangible things are huge wild cards, imo.

          Lastly, my favorite quote from the articles about this trade is this. Turner's floor was Granger's celing over the rest of the season. I think that's probably right.

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          • #20
            Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

            sounds like David West needs a raise with all the policing he might have to do.

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            • #21
              Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              sounds like David West needs a raise with all the policing he might have to do.

              Hey Buck, I think that's actually a big part of why he does get paid good, for 12 pts / 7 boards. He's a leader and well also that he's a BAMF.

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              • #22
                Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

                I think it's funny everyone talks about Philly's pace while giving Turner pretty much zero credit for them being able to play at that pace, even though his specific skill set alongside MCW is one of the biggest reasons they were able to and surprised some people early in the year.


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                • #23
                  Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  I think it's funny everyone talks about Philly's pace while giving Turner pretty much zero credit for them being able to play at that pace, even though his specific skill set alongside MCW is one of the biggest reasons they were able to and surprised some people early in the year.
                  He gets discredited for scoring so much in a high pace offense, but still gets blamed for the high turnovers. You can't have it both ways. It's either a factor for both or neither.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

                    Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                    He is too far removed from college to be judging him based of it.

                    He thinks hes the man now, and that is valid concern. At the moment I don't see how he and Lance could be on the court at the same time
                    I think the biggest factor is that "he can play defense" when he was at OSU. I didn't have the same impression with Lance at Cincy but that is a big indicator for me on whether he can or will fit in and I tend to think culture can create a lot of bad habits some of which we know all to well with Danny and JOB.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

                      From a personnel standpoint, I can't remember a team this stacked. You're talking Hill/Lance/PG/West/Hibbert starting, proven to be the best starting five in the league, and now you follow those guys with CJ/Turner/Scola/Bynum? Those four guys could all start in this league. CJ at point, Turner at the guard spot, Butler or Copeland at the three, Scola at 4, Bynum at 5, that would be my preferred second team.

                      I just can't believe how this roster has been turned around from the JOB days. Wowzers.
                      Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 02-21-2014, 01:45 PM.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

                        listening to 1070 the fan. They had Conrad Brunner on. He said he talked to Doug Collins and Collins had nothing but nice things to say about Evan. Even said that Evan could guard LeBron James. Buno said, Doug said that Evan was the guy that guarded James when Philly played them 3 yrs ago and did a good job.

                        Bruno will be writing a blog on his conversation with Collins with more detail.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

                          Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                          Wasn't this essentially how Doug Collins used him in his second season?
                          My memory on that Sixers team is a little light (anyone who wants to can chime in on ATC's question), though he did average 26 minutes a game that year. He won't be quite there unless Lance's minutes are cut. Not sure how the pressure would be for him playing for a contract on more limited minutes on a deep playoff team in his fourth year would compare to the pressure of trying to prove he's second-pick worthy off the bench for a fringe playoff team in his second year. I could see Turner working out quite well or kind of badly. Like Bynum, I would guess that it will be somewhere in the middle and that our playoff chances still depend on PG going full superstar.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

                            I'm reading through some of the comments by the Sixer RealGM posters about Turner and I see a lot of comments peppered with "Ball Dominant Wing", "Turnover prone", "Terrible defender" and "Inefficient Scorer"

                            I'm going to assume that part of it is a result of the Offense that the Sixers run...but also the role that he had on the Team.

                            I'm not going to lie and say that I ain't concerned cuz we NEED to cutover on Turnovers and get Efficient scoring from the bench.....but I also know that his role will be different on this Team and the defense is way better.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Is Evan Turner Indiana's Missing Piece? ESPN Article

                              Originally posted by Speed View Post
                              Hey Buck, I think that's actually a big part of why he does get paid good, for 12 pts / 7 boards. He's a leader and well also that he's a BAMF.

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