if PG weren't pretty friendly with Turner I'd have a lot more qualms with this. I already have plenty, I don't think Turner's a fit here. I think this is a we killed it on paper but the reality is pretty damn mediocre scenario. But I'm more than willing to see how it plays out, I was more than ready to dump Lance, I said PG'd never put up an efficient 20+ (which is still sorta true so I'm not a complete idiot).
It's not that I don't think this makes us better, I do, but pretty damn marginally. I don't see how Turner and Lance will be able to play together. And yeah, emotions come into play.
I wanted it to work with Danny. I am sad but I really am not bothered by it. Reggie Retiring hurt. For those upset w Pacers mgt its ridiculous. We stuck by Danny all last season, to eventually he had to have surgery. If Danny was able to play last year I believe we woulda beat the Heat. It sucks but that's how it goes sometimes.
Pacers gotta cover their cans if Lance walks or wants more than he should get. Danny wasn't plan B and likely for good reason. It sucks but this is business. Its about what is BEST for the FRANCHISE and TEAM not one individual player.
Lance should take heed if he wants to be part of a CONTENDER. A small market Franchise cannot afford 28M two seasons in a row of at best moderate bench production for a team contending for a TITLE.
This was a move that was best for the Pacers. Plain and simple. Turner also gives us a player that can do the same things to some extent as Lance. No one on this team had the attributes Lance does, which I believe has went to Lances head/ego. Now there is competition for minutes at his position which is a good thing. He gets out of control I got no quarrels with Vogel pulling him and letting Turner prove himself worthy.
Lance has got more upside, but as REG stated, Turners game is more polished. imo Lances immaturity at times hurts our starting 5.
Lavoy Allen is a nice get as well. If the Bynum experienment fails, we still have depth in the frontcourt.
BEST WISHES to Danny Granger. I hope he signs on with a Western Conference contending team.
I think you nailed it here. Lance not only has to be on his best behavior (which hasn't been an issue at all) but he'll have to continue to play within the team. No more trying to pad his stats and playing out of control, because we can put him on the bench and bring in a player that brings in similar production albeit in a different way.
If he ends up wanting to take an offer that's bigger than that "specific number" that Bird has in mind to pay Lance, we can sign Turner. The fact that we have that type of flexibility in the off season makes this trade a LOT easier to digest for a Granger fan.
This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.
So you don't think if Lance works with a coach in the off-season taking like 200 or so jumpers a day he can improve his shot to be highly consistent? I think he could be as consistent a jump-shooter as Wade if he practiced with a shooter who's retired.
More BUY OUT STUFF........
Danny according to Hoopshype could sign with Chicago, Miami, Dallas, San Antonio, or the Clippers. Meanwhile, Metta World Piece and Beno Udrih will be bought out by the Knicks. I wonder where they'll land. Also as I mentioned in a previous thread....Jason Terry is returning to Dallas to rehab his knee. He's DONE FOR THE YEAR.
I'm really happy we acquired Evan Turner because I think he will help us more than Danny against our main #1 opponent - the Miami Heat. Turner will put a lot of pressure on DWade and force him to play defense. Danny cannot possibly guard LeBron or Wade this year because his lateral quickness is gone. His shot is gone and his ability to get open has diminished as well.
I think all the buy out stuff is none sense. Granger doesn't wanna lose his Bird rights. And the Sixers didn't give up Evan Turner for money and a 2nd round draft pick. They want to use Granger in the off season as a sign and trade option.
I hope you're right about the Sixers wanting to keep Danny in a way but I wonder what's in it for them. They're trying to tank and since they'll be losing anyway they'll want to give a ton of minutes to young players for development. If they keep Granger they could offer him a starting role with a lot of minutes but I don't know if that wouldn't be counter productive to their goal. I think Danny's meeting with the Sixers had to focus on what role they'd be able to offer him and that would be over quickly if they wanted him to play limited minutes.
From Danny's point he'll want to prove his worth for his next contract. He'll want minutes to do this but he may also like the idea of chasing a ring at this stage in his career, something that was just taken from him. I don't see the Heat, Mavs, or Spurs offering the chance to play a lot of minutes. Danny wouldn't get many minutes at all in Miami backing up Lebron but it seems like the Heat are focused on going after a veteran wing so I think they'll make a strong run for him. It seems to me that the Clippers would be the best fit for both minutes and a chance at a title.
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Yeah, H is right. IIRC, the advantage of a S&T is signing a guy without using the MLE. A team like Brooklyn could S&T a guy like Danny and send salary to Philly to equal out that salary. Otherwise there isn't anyway they could sign a guy without using up their exceptions. Of course, the 76ers have to agree.
The main difference between the new CBA and the old is, under the new one, is the salary and years. Under the old one a team could offer more years and larger raises than just signing a player outright. That loophole is closed.
I do think people are jumping the shark on Granger being bought out. I am sure they are talking about it, but overall there are advantages for both sides to him staying around. Ultimately though I think it will come down to whether or not Granger wants to go to a contender this year, or if he wants to try to build up his stock for a bigger contract.
It looks like Davis just took the open roster spot in L.A., so I guess that last question is a moot point.
I know this trade happened a few days ago, but it just still donít feel right to me. I think a lot of Pacers fans would agree with me. I canít imagine what Granger feels now. After watching a video of Granger saying his goodbyes, I came to the conclusion that this game of basketball is only about money and not about loyalty. I feel bad for Granger and hope him the best. He deserves a lot more than what the Pacers gave him. You can call me old school, but to me it just doesnít seem right. Iím out.