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    I originally thought Granger could make a come back and be at 75-85% of what he was and that would have been pretty darn good. Now, after 25+ games I thought he was regressing rather than getting better. Danny had plenty of rehab time, practiced in training camp, played in the preseason, hurt his calf, then had plenty of time to get ready, more practice time. Really, besides a few games he never gave us much.

    A miracle could happen and he regains form, but not likely, especially this season and next season is irrelevant.
    That "miracle" will likely happen:

    a) Once Danny begins to play for his new team; or,

    b) Once Danny returns to Indy to play against the Pacers. (Hell, he'll probably have a career high like every other former Pacer seems to do when they come back to play against us.)

    On the trade itself, I have similar mixed feelings about it just as many others do. The trade came as a big surprise, and while I'm sad to see him go truth is his offense wasn't getting any better. You have to wonder if the demotion played on his psyching. You're out for pretty much a year, lose your starting SF role to PG, lose your SG role to Lance, you're now coming off the bench and a reserve PF his more of the "Go-To-Guy" than you? Someone who was the face of the franchise for 5 years? This trade reminds me of the way the Colts traded Peyton Manning. Hated the way they let him go...trying to recover from an injury only to discover he's been traded on the heals of an injury recovery.

    Of course, if Danny could check his ego long enough (assuming that was a problem), he could have fully embraced the notion of coming off the bench and turned into the Pacers' 6th Man and became the veteran leader of the reserves. One decent thing I will say about Danny's return is where his offense wasn't hitting on all cylinders, he did try very hard to make up for it on defense. Yes, he still missed a lot of defensive assignments, but I'd never seen him try harder on the defensive end than what I saw of him upon his return particularly over the last 10 games or so.

    I think the trade will work out well for both sides - Pacers, Turner, and Danny. I don't think Danny will stay with the 76ers for very long. They'll probably waive him and another team will pick him up. Frankly, I'd be pissed, too, if I were him. I mean, with everything Danny's been through with the Pacers the least Bird could've done was ensure he went to a +.500 ball club. Regardless, I wish Danny Granger well.
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    Want the cold hard truth? Bird does not think highly of Granger's work ethic and doesn't believe he's going to make it back this year. He needs a wing who can produce down the stretch...and he just got one.
    What you said is definitely the cold hard truth, but saying that Bird didn't think highly of Granger's work ethic is a bit bush league. Bird made ONE comment referring to Danny's work in the off season, and now all of a sudden Bird doesn't think highly of Danny's work ethic and this went into his decision of trading him? No, Bird got an offer he couldn't refuse because it put the franchise in a prime position this year and this summer, and decided to trade a guy that he called his favorite and a solider.

    Being the guy that Bird is, he would have moved Danny a long time ago if he thought that negatively of his work ethic. The fact that Danny has been able to even come back to play NBA basketball from such a bad injury takes a strong work ethic in itself.

    I know you and other posters have a problem with Danny, his game, etc. He's easily been the most debated player within this forum. But to constantly try and question his work ethic due to ONE comment by Bird rubs me the wrong way for some reason. (Not to jump on BnG because it wasn't just his posting that's implied this)

    At the end of the day, Danny isn't what he used to be. We all know that. Some of us just feel he could've been put in a better position to succeed as opposed to standing in the corner watching Lance dribble, or looking to pad his stats against bench players. It's a matter of opinion. But let's not make it seem like Danny's game after his injury has something to do with a lack of work ethic, because that's just false.

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    What you said is definitely the cold hard truth, but saying that Bird didn't think highly of Granger's work ethic is a bit bush league. Bird made ONE comment referring to Danny's work in the off season, and now all of a sudden Bird doesn't think highly of Danny's work ethic and this went into his decision of trading him? No, Bird got an offer he couldn't refuse because it put the franchise in a prime position this year and this summer, and decided to trade a guy that he called his favorite and a solider.

    Being the guy that Bird is, he would have moved Danny a long time ago if he thought that negatively of his work ethic. The fact that Danny has been able to even come back to play NBA basketball from such a bad injury takes a strong work ethic in itself.

    I know you and other posters have a problem with Danny, his game, etc. He's easily been the most debated player within this forum. But to constantly try and question his work ethic due to ONE comment by Bird rubs me the wrong way for some reason. (Not to jump on BnG because it wasn't just his posting that's implied this)

    At the end of the day, Danny isn't what he used to be. We all know that. Some of us just feel he could've been put in a better position to succeed as opposed to standing in the corner watching Lance dribble, or looking to pad his stats against bench players. It's a matter of opinion. But let's not make it seem like Danny's game after his injury has something to do with a lack of work ethic, because that's just false.
    There are only so many statements from Bird to determine his mindset. All I can say is that his quote wasn't one statement but several and was 2 months before Granger was traded. IOW, it's the best view of his opinion on the matter afaic.

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    I really thought at the time it was about giving lance enough opportunities to make the all start team. However he's continued that style of play, lance is out there to get his stats up and get as big of a contract as he can. I don't blame him for that one bit.

    Our coach needs to do a better job of reeling him in to play how he was playing at the beginning of the season. I hope lance can make the adjustment as I love what lance brings but I know realistically he is playing to win but he's playing for a big payday as well.

    getting turner is great but our weakness still remain in the carelessness and 1-1 ball the starting unit has been playing.
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    Not to nitpick, because he did make them, but that's a lot of contested mid-range jumpers. And on the GW, he drew a triple team and took the shot anyway, blowing off a wide open Thad Young under the rim and Hawes at the top of the key. Gets the bounce, but still not a high % shot.

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    He's got a very, very nice handle. I didn't realize that. I tend to wonder if he could play PG. His assist numbers are slightly better than George Hill.

    His rebound numbers are also very good. What we have here is another good, well rounded basketball player.

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    Not to nitpick, because he did make them, but that's a lot of contested mid-range jumpers. And on the GW, he drew a triple team and took the shot anyway, blowing off a wide open Thad Young under the rim and Hawes at the top of the key. Gets the bounce, but still not a high % shot.
    Dude makes some very tough shots.

    On a team like the Sixers the mentality is pretty much do as good as you personally can so that your next contract is on a better team making more money.

    I like what he adds to the team, and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that has the potential to make a problem in the locker room. He also has those games that it just seems he can't miss, and a lot of these have actually come against some pretty good competition. Tag all of that along with the fact that we seem to have a very good player development staff and I see a damn good fit.

    If Lance gets stupid money thrown at him we have a plan B, and not a crappy one either. This trade from purely a basketball perspective was so damn good by Larry, it's just a shame it had to come at the expense of one of our favorites.
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    He's got a very, very nice handle. I didn't realize that. I tend to wonder if he could play PG. His assist numbers are slightly better than George Hill.

    His rebound numbers are also very good. What we have here is another good, well rounded basketball player.
    Yeah he does, those handles are very tight, very solid.

    This team is going to be damn near impossible to beat 4 out of 7 if they round into form.
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    Except it wasn't even near three months since he first returned ;-).

    Eleazer is correct. These sort of injuries in the NBA usually take players a lot longer to get back into some sort of good form with consistency. Bird apparently was worried about that aswell as Lance getting some moronic offer from another franchise in the summer, so he got a player to go to plan B if plan A with Lance falls apart.


    That's the way I see it. No need to blame Danny though, he was still in the middle of trying to get back from a very harsh injury, which takes a lot of time. And he got a raw deal, unfortunately, after all he's done for this franchise. No need for "but's" IMHO, because that's just how it is. And I guess that's just how life is sometimes and everyone has to recover and move on and see where we are at now.
    It has actually been more like 4-5. They were saying he was gonna be ready at the start of the season. It has been 10 months since he had surgery.

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    Any official word on if he will be playing tonight or not?

    The only downside I could see about that is it might **** Bynum off that this guy just came in and is going to play, but then again when you go from a team like the Cavs to the Pacers, you should probably just be thankful
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    Any official word on if he will be playing tonight or not?

    The only downside I could see about that is it might **** Bynum off that this guy just came in and is going to play, but then again when you go from a team like the Cavs to the Pacers, you should probably just be thankful
    Turner won't play until Tuesday against the Lakers. They aren't even in Indy yet, probably haven't taken their physicals. Its a big disappointing because a guy like Steve Blake got his *** to Oakland and suited up last night.
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    Hopefully this is buried deep enough in this thread that I can avoid getting blasted for it.

    Personally, I would kinda like to see Lance and Turner on the floor together. Not only do I think they can co-exist, I think they can flourish and be a problem for opponents defensively.

    I cannot tell you how many times this year I have seen Lance be first up the floor with the ball against 4 defenders and have to wait out on the wing while the rest of the group jog up, often times even WAVING his teammates up the floor (normally in vain). I've seen Turner be discredited a bit on this forum for having played in a fast pace offense in Philly. I hope Lance and Turner end up on the court together and add that dimension to the Pacers before playoffs roll around. Let one group grind and bang and tire out opponents, and the next group push the tempo when those exhausted defenders can't keep up and have to foul.

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    Hopefully this is buried deep enough in this thread that I can avoid getting blasted for it.

    Personally, I would kinda like to see Lance and Turner on the floor together. Not only do I think they can co-exist, I think they can flourish and be a problem for opponents defensively.

    I cannot tell you how many times this year I have seen Lance be first up the floor with the ball against 4 defenders and have to wait out on the wing while the rest of the group jog up, often times even WAVING his teammates up the floor (normally in vain). I've seen Turner be discredited a bit on this forum for having played in a fast pace offense in Philly. I hope Lance and Turner end up on the court together and add that dimension to the Pacers before playoffs roll around. Let one group grind and bang and tire out opponents, and the next group push the tempo when those exhausted defenders can't keep up and have to foul.

    Go Pacers.
    The concern with them both on the floor is that the defense would pack the paint. I'm thinking that they will play together some but probably more when Scola and/or Copeland are on the floor too.

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    I believe he has ran point for them at times.

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    I believe playing winning basketball would get him a bigger contract. If the team wins he wins. Not hero ball.
    His play suggest he thinks otherwise, I'm honestly expecting lance not to be here next year. He will take the money and go be the man. His attitude when he doesn't get the ball gives me those vibes that he's looking out for himself this year in addition to winning. I hope bringing in turner doesn't make lance try to "outplay" his teammate every time he plays.

    I've seen it too many times and I don't blame the players for taking the most money, because at the end of the day just like this trade the teams will always do what's best for the franchise even if it means trading away a long tenured player.

    also I believe the reason Paul has been playing "hero" ball lately is due to him trying to be on Lebron and Durant's level. Those guys play hero ball a lot and can get crazy hot. But what made Paul the talk of possibly winning MVP was because he was playing within the team, taking smart and good shots which in turn made him more efficient. He thinks he has to play like Durant and Lebron to be in the MVP talk. But it's his team winning and him being efficient that will actually put him there.
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    If you're going to play Lance and Tunrer together, we have to be up tempo during that period of time. Which IMO actually hurts Bynum's standing in the team.

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    If you're going to play Lance and Tunrer together, we have to be up tempo during that period of time. Which IMO actually hurts Bynum's standing in the team.
    I am not so sure it will. If Bynum can get defensive rebounds and control the paint, make good outlet passes and put Turner/Lance in positions to create in the open court I think he fits in fine. On nights when Lance/Turner can not leak out Bynum will also be there for halfcourt offense.

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    Turner won't play until Tuesday against the Lakers. They aren't even in Indy yet, probably haven't taken their physicals. Its a big disappointing because a guy like Steve Blake got his *** to Oakland and suited up last night.
    I too would like to see Turner play tonight. That said, if we "need" Turner against Milwaukee we are in trouble.

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