So let me get this straight..,you would cut a player from the deepest front court we have seen on a team since sliced bread, but Miami wouldn't pick Big Baby up (with an open roster spot) because he couldn't play with the likes of Birdman or no knee oden? I doubt Birdman and Oden will be on the court together very much anyway
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I think he is more skilled than athletic like, as you said, scola. Doesn't he have a decent jump shot also. He, like the rest of the Pacer PF, can be overpowered by the very atletic bigs, but holds his own with the rest of the guys.
I haven't read through this whole thread, so I apologize if this has been brought up, but the Pacers will get a $4.28 million trade exception with this trade. Since they won't be going under the cap, they'll have until nearly next year's trade deadline to use it.
They may not, due to luxury tax concerns, but it adds a little bit of flexibility to the Pacers next year.
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My guess is Allen won't make the rotation unless there are some injuries. Copeland is a stretch 4; he cannot defend wings. To be honest, he's probably a defensive liability either way, but if he gets minutes, it's going to be at the 4.
I know a lot of people are saying this makes basketball sense, but unless you are talking about having Turner as Lance's replacement next year I'm not so sure that is the case. Turner only shoots 42.8%. This isn't, oh he takes a lot of threes so he is still scoring efficiently 42.8%. No this is he doesn't shoot 3's and still only shoots 42.8%. His TS% and 3FG% are not good, and this is a good season for him. His TS% is only 1.3% better than Granger. He turns the ball over at a higher rate than Paul George does. Then apparently he also does not play much defense.
I don't watch a lot of Philly, are you guys sure this makes the team better? Cause right now the only way I see this as possibly making this team better is if you believe Butler is a better player than Granger. Which currently may be the case if all you want is a shooter. If that is the case, it may have been more prudent just to play Butler at SG and Lance as the backup PG.
This honestly does not seem like a championship move at all. Championship moves tend to be the ones who find a reliable veteran player who fills a need. Not a young, inefficient player who mimics an already filled need.
I think Evan is a good shooter. He's not as accurate as Danny when he was the old Danny. But Turner isn't a terrible jump shooter. He gets most of his shots in the midrange. But he can get hot. Scored 24 on the Knicks earlier in the season. He carried Philly in that victory. Without him, they lose that one.
Off the bench, he will do well because he's on a better team. And because there's not super pressure on him. In Philly, he was to be THE MAN. In Indy, we want sixth man stuff from him. That'll allow him to play within his talent level. Philly wanted Melo numbers from him every night. Wasn't gonna happen. He's a pure scorer and shooter. But not a 3 point bomber. It's a good deal. We get younger, more versatile, and Lavoy Allen is a bonus. Guy can shoot from Scola range, and he's active around the basket. Both of these guys will shine now that they are out of Philadelphia.
In a 10 man rotation, you might. It's a good luxury to have. The less minutes the starters play, the fresher they are for that playoff run. Let Lebron put up 45 a game and be sputtering by playoff time. After the Heat have to go through Brooklyn and whomever else to get to Indy.
Could Danny Granger retire and the Pacers sign him as a coach for the remainder of the season?
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I liked Granger also and hoped he would get back to at least 75% of what he was, he never got close, I lot of fans don't seem to want to accept it though. Several plays Danny didn't even make and effort on, really flipped the switch for me. From that moment, I never thought Danny would help us at all this season.
Thrilled with the trade, Turners a damn good player, Danny's not anymore, that's enough for me. Lance may have a higher ceiling, but Turner is as good right now IMO. Great Insurance for Lance leaving.
This trade has re-energized me, the team has really struggled lately and had me worried.
Brilliant move by Larry and Pritch!
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Without having to worry about the best defensive perimeter player guarding him, Turner should be able to be a bit more efficient (ALA Stephenson who is crazy wild but shoots 50% because he has lesser defenders guarding him).
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I'm not high on the trade, but I will say that Turner played against starters and is averaging 17-18PPG. I don't believe Danny could do that.
Also, the last time Danny had a better FG% was 2009-10...so let's not throw the tomatoes too hard.
Then you have the fact Turner shot over 36% from 3 last year. That's really not that bad. Not for a weakness. Not when he's coming off the bench for the Pacers.
Then you have the fact Copeland might just be the answer for stretching the floor off the bench and it's not a bad move and might be a net positive.
Chuck thinks this trade puts us over the top.
We don't owe Lavoy Allen anything, considering he just became a Pacer like 3 hours ago. So lets say you cut him or waive or whatever and sign Big Baby. That would be smart. No hard feelings there. Big Baby has played and contributed in some big time playoff games. People forget how vital he was to that Celtics team when the big three there were first formed. Now for Miami, it's a sentimental thing really. They have put so much work into Oden. Getting him ready with his knees and all. And then Birdman who has become kind of a fixture on that team now. Could they really tell either of those two guys to take a backseat to Big Baby?
Also, all of these teary-eyed Granger fans are probably the same people who were wearing orange when Manning played the Colts earlier this year. I don't get rooting for a player over rooting for your favorite TEAM. Wish the guy well, but if Manning, Reggie, Smits, Hibbert, PG, Lance--IDGAF who--aren't helping the Pacers or Colts win, then they are helping them lose and that is reason enough for me to root against them as much as I root against the Heat, Knicks, Lakers, Patriots, Ravens, etc.