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  • Re: Granger traded to Philly

    On the plane to Indy this morning

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    • Re: Granger traded to Philly

      Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
      On the plane to Indy this morning

      Nice Chicago hat, ET.

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      • Re: Granger traded to Philly

        Something about 2010 lottery picks on planes...

        This is the darkest timeline.

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        • Re: Granger traded to Philly

          Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post


          via Kent Sterling
          After seeing this (man am I glad I went back to view the entire thread) I can see this trade working one of two ways.

          1. As a younger team we allow our emotions to get the best of us, and we play about the same if not worse than we have the past 2 weeks.
          2. This lights a major fire under our asses and realize this was done to get this championship **** done THIS YEAR.

          With a guy like D.West on the locker room, I'm hoping for the latter. We won't really know until after these 5 cupcake games. We don't have to play our best to blow most of these teams out of the water.

          It should be interesting.

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          • Re: Granger traded to Philly

            FWIW I think Brian Shaw could've worked wonders for Evan Turner and his game

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            • Re: Granger traded to Philly

              Originally posted by tadscout View Post
              Two organizations have to do the physicals before a player plays after a trade. It wasn't Blake that busted his *** to play that night, it was the two organizations that made the trade and both quickly acted to finalize everything. So, please don't make it sound like the players have control of that situation. Also we are playing the worst team in the league, along with being an organization that never rushes new players in... so what really is the need to rush?
              If I remember correctly, the Pacers waived the physicals for Scola and Bynum.both. Maybe they will do the same thing with these players.

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              • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                if PG weren't pretty friendly with Turner I'd have a lot more qualms with this. I already have plenty, I don't think Turner's a fit here. I think this is a we killed it on paper but the reality is pretty damn mediocre scenario. But I'm more than willing to see how it plays out, I was more than ready to dump Lance, I said PG'd never put up an efficient 20+ (which is still sorta true so I'm not a complete idiot).

                It's not that I don't think this makes us better, I do, but pretty damn marginally. I don't see how Turner and Lance will be able to play together. And yeah, emotions come into play.

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                • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                  I wanted it to work with Danny. I am sad but I really am not bothered by it. Reggie Retiring hurt. For those upset w Pacers mgt its ridiculous. We stuck by Danny all last season, to eventually he had to have surgery. If Danny was able to play last year I believe we woulda beat the Heat. It sucks but that's how it goes sometimes.

                  Pacers gotta cover their cans if Lance walks or wants more than he should get. Danny wasn't plan B and likely for good reason. It sucks but this is business. Its about what is BEST for the FRANCHISE and TEAM not one individual player.

                  Lance should take heed if he wants to be part of a CONTENDER. A small market Franchise cannot afford 28M two seasons in a row of at best moderate bench production for a team contending for a TITLE.


                  This was a move that was best for the Pacers. Plain and simple. Turner also gives us a player that can do the same things to some extent as Lance. No one on this team had the attributes Lance does, which I believe has went to Lances head/ego. Now there is competition for minutes at his position which is a good thing. He gets out of control I got no quarrels with Vogel pulling him and letting Turner prove himself worthy.

                  Lance has got more upside, but as REG stated, Turners game is more polished. imo Lances immaturity at times hurts our starting 5.

                  Lavoy Allen is a nice get as well. If the Bynum experienment fails, we still have depth in the frontcourt.



                  BEST WISHES to Danny Granger. I hope he signs on with a Western Conference contending team.

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                  • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                    Originally posted by PacersPride View Post

                    Lance should take heed if he wants to be part of a CONTENDER. A small market Franchise cannot afford 28M two seasons in a row of at best moderate bench production for a team contending for a TITLE.


                    This was a move that was best for the Pacers. Plain and simple. Turner also gives us a player that can do the same things to some extent as Lance. No one on this team had the attributes Lance does, which I believe has went to Lances head/ego. Now there is competition for minutes at his position which is a good thing. He gets out of control I got no quarrels with Vogel pulling him and letting Turner prove himself worthy.
                    I think you nailed it here. Lance not only has to be on his best behavior (which hasn't been an issue at all) but he'll have to continue to play within the team. No more trying to pad his stats and playing out of control, because we can put him on the bench and bring in a player that brings in similar production albeit in a different way.

                    If he ends up wanting to take an offer that's bigger than that "specific number" that Bird has in mind to pay Lance, we can sign Turner. The fact that we have that type of flexibility in the off season makes this trade a LOT easier to digest for a Granger fan.

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                    • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                      Originally posted by tadscout View Post
                      The 76ers made the trade for financial reasons. I imagine if he failed, they would just waive it.

                      Would the NBA allow it to happen?

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                      • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                        Would the NBA allow it to happen?
                        Teams have the choice to waive a physical.
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                        • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                          Originally posted by tadscout View Post
                          Two organizations have to do the physicals before a player plays after a trade. It wasn't Blake that busted his *** to play that night, it was the two organizations that made the trade and both quickly acted to finalize everything. So, please don't make it sound like the players have control of that situation. Also we are playing the worst team in the league, along with being an organization that never rushes new players in... so what really is the need to rush?



                          Also, Oakland and Los Angeles are in the same state.

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                          • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                            Originally posted by daschysta View Post
                            Expecting Lance to shoot like Paul is both unrealistic and unfair. PG is a natural shooter, he shot about 45 percent from 3 as a freshman in college, he just needed a year to adjust to the longer 3 point line, but his shooting ability is natural talent. You can improve your shot ( in fact Lance has tremendously) but you dont go from a bad 3 point shooter to Paul Georgeesque 38 percent despite taking 6+ per game, many of which are off the dribble, above the break or with a hand in his face. That's pretty much impossible. Best you can hope for is becoming a legitimate threat if left wide open ala kidd, but even that is only a set shot and happened after years and years.

                            Also I don't know what Hibbert you watch, but he is pretty much as accurate on open mid range jumpers as he is at contested layups, which is a compliment to his jumper and a sad shot at his bunny shot making chops.

                            We don't need 2 players averaging 20 ppg. Other than OKC none of the other contenders do, not Miami, not SAS (zero) not houston, not LAC, POR the Darkhorse does have 2, The world beating kings, on the other hand have 3, and the GOAT Pacers team led by the twoheaded monster MDJ and 3rd year Danny Granger had 2, as did the Beastly ellis jennings swagtastic Bucks from last year,but seriously, most current contending teams have 1 and a balanced attack around their main scorer. Looking back at the past decade SAS' s 3 titles had only Duncan scoring 20 barely 20 2/3 (20.0, 20.7 and 23.3) Detroit's one had zero, Boston's one had zero, Dallas' s one had just Dirk, LA's two had just Kobe... Only if you look towards Miami's method of titles would suggest needing multiple high volume (20+) scorers simultaneously as a key ingredient to winning a title going back 10 years. Even HOF sidekick Pippen only hit 20 ppg along with Michael during 2 title runs.

                            Our scoring distribution isn't our problem offensively. Part of it is philosophy, we play grind it out possession ball, which limits offensive possessions for the other team, maximizing defense, part of it is simply focusing on our defense (the element that makes us title contenders) so much that we lack energy on offense occassionally leading to "lazy shots", part of it lacking one guy that handles the ball more than everyone else and makes the individual decision to shoot or give it to someone in scoring position (ala CP3 LBJ and KD3, paul is a great player but he isn't a point forward yet, maybe if he works on his passing this offseason the way he worked on his handles and isolation game last one he will be) meaning we make multiple passes relative to teams with a singular ball dominant passing/assist stars before getting in to a potential scoring position, leading to higher than optimal turnovers. Basically it's really hard to be very good on offense and defense, and even harder to be dominant on one end and really good on the other as well. Can our offense improve? Certainly. Will our offense be more than decent to good without sacrificing at least a bit about what makes us great(defense). Almost certainly not.

                            Look at PG as an individual example, now that he's rested he looks unstoppable scoring the ball again just like the first 2.5 months, yet after stretches of 5 games in 7 or 4 in 5 nights he's visibly fatigued and his shot goes flat as well as looking indecisive, appearing to lack bounce and energy. This is a symptom of trying to go all out on offense and defense every night, while doing both at an elite level. Luckily we should breeze through the first and possibly second round in the East and there are no back2backs in the playoffs, so I'm nit worried that Paul won't be in superstar form on both ends come may and hopefully june.

                            There is a reason guys like LBJ, Kobe, Dwade etc... coast a bit on defense during the year despite possessing great defensive acumen, or why guys like Harden, Durant, and Carmelo flat neglect it more than they should to maintain their elite offense all year long. It's exhausting, moreso when applied to teams as a whole who aren't comprised entirely of athletic specimens relative to their peers.

                            20 ppg is sexy for fantasy basketball, but it means little in the context of needing it, especially more than one per team, in terms of winning the big trophy.




                            So you don't think if Lance works with a coach in the off-season taking like 200 or so jumpers a day he can improve his shot to be highly consistent? I think he could be as consistent a jump-shooter as Wade if he practiced with a shooter who's retired.

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                            • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                              Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                              So you don't think if Lance works with a coach in the off-season taking like 200 or so jumpers a day he can improve his shot to be highly consistent? I think he could be as consistent a jump-shooter as Wade if he practiced with a shooter who's retired.
                              That's exactly what he did this past offseason.

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                              • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                                More BUY OUT STUFF........


                                Danny according to Hoopshype could sign with Chicago, Miami, Dallas, San Antonio, or the Clippers. Meanwhile, Metta World Piece and Beno Udrih will be bought out by the Knicks. I wonder where they'll land. Also as I mentioned in a previous thread....Jason Terry is returning to Dallas to rehab his knee. He's DONE FOR THE YEAR.

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