I get that some are upset by the loss of DG. The bigger picture is the ultimate goal to win a Championship. Those upset at Bird for making this move may be some of the ones who were also critical of him for never making a move prior to this deadline. Many did not like his patient 3 year approach. Now he makes a move that Bird believes is best for the Franchise and suddenly were no longer a dignified Franchise.
Birds job is to put together the best team possible. It is his team and his responsibility to win a championship. Those on here upset with this are basically telling Larry LEGEND how to go about his business and that's a load of horse****.
Wouldn't surprise if this same bunch critical of Larry would be the same ones criticizing him for not finding a replacement if Lance leaves over the off season. Pacers fan will be upset when DG and Lance walk for bigger bucks and call for Legends head if he doesn't find a replacement.
Birds job is to win a championship. Bird is a man with a lot of pride and worked hard for what he had. stories about him mowing his own lawn while with the boston Celtics and peeps would watch him, Cedric Maxwell found it amusing Legend would mow his own lawn. the reason Legend hurt his back was shoveling gravel at his home in French Lick during the offseason. he coulda hired somebody but that's not how LEGEND works.
Legend has a job to do and that's what he is all about. if DG or Lance would commit to less money for this Franchise then perhaps Bird would give the players more say in front office decision making. unfortunately as we have seen with Roy and Paul that's not how it works.
Pacers lose Lance this offseason and got no backup in place then Pacers fans will be calling for Legends Mt Rushmore head. Bird is doing his job. If you all don't like it then root for the Philly 76ers or the Heat when Granger joins with them.
I think some are way out of line for talking trash about Legend when its his job per Simon to win a championship.
Legend stated clearly he did not expect a deal to go down. that's why he was not in town.
“I am excited about it,” Bird said, per Candace Buckner of The Indy Star. “I didn’t think there was going to be anything there that we were really looking for (with trades) but when this came up and caught our attention, we thought maybe we should do it.”
Obviously, Lavoy Allen’s another big body that can play and Evan Turner—I like guys who can play multiple positions. You can talk all you want about he can’t hit an outside shot, can’t do this. I always look at the positive side of it. I think he’s a kid who can come in right away and help us.
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So, if I can break into the discussion for a moment...
What's happening with Granger merch? Is there a fire sale on Granger jerseys?
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Andrew Perna is speculating he might sign with San Antonio.
I think Danny will sign with the team that he thinks will give him the best opportunity to prove his worth for his next contract. It seems to me that the Clippers would be able to offer him the most playing time at least as contenders go.
Just a gut feeling (not worth much) but I'm guessing San Antonio.
Though I wouldnt care one bit if he went to Miami. I don't think he has anything left, not this year at least.
Only difference is I'd cheer for him in San Antonio...Miami, no way
Stop quoting people I have on ignore!
for those who say Danny did not deserve this. How about the Pacers Franchise. do the BnG deserve a discount from DG if he were to re-sign here in the offseason. how about if Pacers mgt said Danny were gonna turn down a deal for a former #2 pick and a serviceable big because we believe you deserve it. however, we want to re-sign you to 1M per until you retire in order to recoup the 20+M worth of production lost.
my guess is Danny would decline.
if we gave up even value (1st rounder) I could see where many could be upset w Pacers brass. as it is, we gave up a 2nd rounder for a former #2 pick and a serviceable big. Birds been upfront from day one with the numerous trade rumors in regard to DG over the seasons. Always stated that it would take an offer to good to pass up to trade Danny.
In regards to next season this trades a no brainer.
only way in which this trade is declined is if its not gonna help us win a title now. I don't see how Turner can play much worse than what Danny has given us vs backup level players.
The bench is one of the worst in the league.
Hard to believe anyone would want Bird to have turned that deal down if LEGEND felt it made us a better team.
hoping he heads down to San Antonio
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A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.
Was browsing some sites and it seems that Miami players don't won't Granger do to his attitude toward them in past games, playoffs read one article that said DWade would rather have Caron Butler do to past events.
I'd rather see him playing for the Clips or Spurs anyway.
Sorry I can't post the sites, I'm on my phone and working. Can't take that time to do so.
Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."
My sense is the DG really hates LeBron and would not go to Miami. How many near elbows has the King thrown and Danny's going to help him win a ring? Never felt Danny got respect from LeBron.
I could see Phoenix due to his health (trainers there are supposed to be excellent), but not sure how much playing time he'd get there (wing rotation of PJ Tucker, Barbosa, Gerald Green and Marcus Morris and spread PFs of Frye and Markieff Morris. Bledsoe is about back and Goran could get a lot of open shots for Danny.
But Danny says he wants to sign with a contender and I don't see Phoenix as a top tier team. Not sure anyone out of San Antonio and maybe Houston would want Danny, whose still yet to proove he can contribute. Doesn't look like OKC has the cap space under the lux tax but SA, Hou, and Pho does.
Of course, this is all speculation on my end, but we're all arm-chair quarterbacks here.
Cheap shot artists not wanting Danny because of his attitude? Sounds like a compliment.
“Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.
What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?
Larry Bird: Yeah, patience.
Danny gave them a discount in his most productive years. HE was averaging 25pts making only 10 million.
Insurance picked up most of his salary last season. So its not like the Pacers were out 14 million. Or even 20 Million? Not sure where you get the 20 Million from.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
So apparently Danny had let up on his training regiment with the knee......
Where Does Danny Land?: The Philadelphia 76ers and forward Danny Granger are expected to reach a buyout agreement at some point today, although 76ers coach Brett Brown told reporters last night that he was still unsure of the outcome and that Granger and 76er General Manager Sam Hinkie were still talking through the scenarios.
Granger and the 76ers have had several discussions about the structure of a buyout that would allow Granger to become an unrestricted free agent. It is believed that Granger is not overly interested in finishing the season in Philadelphia and may be willing to sacrifice some of the $4.2 million still remaining on his $14.02 million final contract year in order to join a contending playoff team.
Several teams are expecting a buyout to occur and have started doing due diligence on Granger and his long problematic left knee.
Sources close to the situation in Indiana say that Granger had let up on the routine conditioning that has become an almost daily requirement to keep his knee workable and that, combined with his ending contract is what lead to his trade from the Pacers.
Inquiring teams are trying to get a sense of what they can expect from Granger down the stretch. Granger has been linked to both the Miami HEAT and the San Antonio Spurs, although sources say that the New York Knicks and the Chicago Bulls have expected some interest in Granger too.
Assuming that Granger and the 76ers reach an agreement today, there is a 48-hour waiver period that would have to pass before he could join another team.
A player must be bought out and waived before March 1 in order to be eligible for the postseason, regardless of when that player signs with a new team.
Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nb...E18sQFdkDOT.99
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That doesn't surprise me one bit.
This season he's played like a guy that doesn't care about basketball. Sometimes priorities change, and I don't fault Danny for that. But he had no fire at all this season.