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I don't get people calling Bird "slimy" at all. What do you think Bird's job is? It's to guide the Pacers to a championship. This was the kind of move you make in order to accomplish that.
This isn't the feel-good friendship club. This isn't your adult rec league team with your college buddies. This isn't a charity club. It's professional basketball. Sometimes, tough decisions come with the territory. All the best to Danny, but my goodness, anyone criticizing Bird here is missing the point of the move, and his job, entirely.
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Turner was in PG/Lances draft class?
If we win it all this year, Danny deserves an honorary ring.
The 2013-2014 Salary Cap floor is $52.8 mil.
Dumping Turner and Allen and adding Granger gets them to $51.95 mil....so buying Granger out anything short of his current Salary would push them under the Floor.
Another Player from the Pacers have to be sent to the Sixers to make this work since we are at 16 Players....the question is who is sent.
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There is one issue that could complicate things. The Pacers have to make offers to restricted free agents by the end of June. I'm not sure they can even negotiate with Lance until July 1st. The risk is that Turner could immediately sign his qualifying offer before the Pacers can negotiate a contract with Lance and pull the deal. If Tuner decides to test the market the Pacers are fine, but that's a big risk. They may end up renouncing Tuner for that reason.
Couple of other thoughts:
What is in this for Philly? I keep waiting to hear at least a 2nd round pick going back to them or one of OJ/Solo. Do they think Granger's Bird rights are more valuable than Turners RFA rights? Is it purely a rather transparent way to tank? Is this simply bringing a veteran in the clubhouse? This deal is a real headscratcher from their point of view.
As others as mentioned, it will be interesting to see who the Pacers will cut. As some have said, they did save quite a bit of money with this move though which I'm sure is always a sigh of relief for ownership.
I'm... I'm feeling a little light-headed.
I'm not saying it was an uneven trade, I just don't remember a time that Danny hasn't been a Pacer. I'm one of the younger PDers, so I only started watching around the 06-07 season, which was when Danny was starting to form the player who he would eventually become. The Pacers obviously are throwing everything in this year to win.
Turner and Young are THE FUTURE!
Being real about it, the hell is Philly doing? Not like they shed any salary. They gained literally nothing, apparently a 2nd rounder I guess.
Go launch bombs Danny. Enjoy LA next year.
Hopefully this makes the point strongly that we are in it to win it, and it shakes the guys out of their complacency a bit.
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what are they saying on NBATV. They have a live special on right now? Anyone watching.
It also lets LB off the hook with the Lance vs. Danny decision. I understand that Danny is now gone and certain people will hate it no matter what. But, those people are now already galvanized and there won't be any hate towards Lance because Danny isn't here.
Btw, whodathunk four years ago that both Peyton Manning and Danny Granger would be traded?
Turner is an excellent defender. He also has quickness to get past Wade and even Lebron. He has a good mid-range game, and can score.
Allen can shoot! Another big man who can shoot! He's also young and can move better than Scola. I think this move was also made because of Scola. He's not shooting well right now. Our bench will be.....
^Somebody will be cut. Probably Sloan or Butler. I also could see Indy cutting Scola and maybe re-signing Lavoy next season. Upgrade defensively, youth wise, etc. Lastly, Turner is a restricted free agent this off season. Indy can re-sign him, as well as Lance. Especially if Ian goes.
I can say one thing with realtive certainty: There is not a happier human being on Earth right now than vnzla. Turner was his dude since before that draft and we all know his stance on Danny.
There's no doubt that this makes us a better basketball team. It's a great trade. Bird is just obsessed by the drive to win a championship this season.
We gave Granger a pretty fair chance to prove that he could help us this season. It was a two month long audition. He just wasn't cutting it and we had the opportunity to get a significantly better player.
This will be like when the Red Sox dumped the popular Nomar Garciapara in the middle of 2004 and then went on to win the World Series a few months later. It sucked that he couldn't be a part of it after being loyal to the franchise for a while, but how many Sox fans really cared once they hoisted up that first banner in 86 years?
Thanks Granger for playing hard for the Pacers for a while. Most importantly, thanks for being a much needed classy personality after all of the a-holes we had in the early to mid 2000's.
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Emotions aside, this is a brilliant move by Bird and the FO. Absolutely brilliant. Turner is a good player, much better than what Danny is now. This is a move that will help us on our way to a title. It is also a back up move in case some team offers Lance a ridiculous amount of money. And it makes me think Larry will absolutely play hard ball with Lance.
But damn man. Granger was the guy that gave us something when we had nothing. So sad to see him go. Been rocking this signature since '06 I believe. Just a difficult thing to swallow, even knowing the team is better because of it. We better win the title this year. If not, I'm gonna be pretty sick.