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Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

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  • #46
    Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

    I didn't watch the game, but I'm assuming they made Ian shoot a three to make everyone feel better about their terrible shooting.
    You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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    • #47
      Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

      Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
      I didn't watch the game, but I'm assuming they made Ian shoot a three to make everyone feel better about their terrible shooting.
      No. That was an end of quarter 3/4ths court heave at the buzzer.

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      • #48
        Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

        Pacers will win the next game.
        Go Pacers!

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        • #49
          Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

          Originally posted by boombaby1987 View Post
          9 of those 13 games were against teams below .500. His shooting percentage has been putrid. Rasual was giving us great minutes right before Granger came back. 9 out of 10 NBA wings could go out and shoot 36% from the field. Pacers had lost 1 single game to a team below .500 before Granger came back. It's poor offensive design as much as anything, but Granger's movement is so constricted that he slows the pace of the offense down, resulting in much poorer shots than we would be getting with a faster pace. Solomon and Orlando, and even Sual played with much more energy.

          Granger has certainly been awful from the offensive end, but you can't blame him for everything. The main problem with the bench over the last month + is Scola. His shot has completely left him. He shot 51.5% from the field in November and 53.7% in December. He was playing like one of the best sixth men in the league and was a lethal asset off the bench. But his shooting percentage sunk to just 38.0% in January and 37.0% in February. He's getting shot attempts that he should hit, but he just can't knock them down right now. Maybe something is bothering him, as others have alluded to. Regardless, he is a shell of what he was at the beginning of the season and that rubs off on the entire bench unit.
          Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-20-2014, 07:52 AM.

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          • #50
            Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

            Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
            Granger isn't being used right. He's a scorer and we should have the offense focused around him in the second unit. When he's in with Lance or Paul he's regulated to the 3 point line with very few passes going his way. I'd like to see some minor lineup changes by putting Hill in with the second unit instead of Lance. I think we'd see an improvement from the bench.
            Why should we focus the second unit offense around a guy who is shooting 35.9% from the field this season? Granger is getting plenty of opportunities to score, but he just can't make shots. He can't make threes anymore and most of his takes to the hoop result in clanks off the rim. If he was making shots, then I'm guessing that we would make an effort to get him more opportunities, but I don't see why we should give even more shots to a guy who is awful from the offensive end right now. I don't think that special new plays for him are going to magically cure the fact that he can't put the ball in the hoop.

            Yes, Lance gets out of control with the second unit sometimes, but what are the other options right now? Scola and Granger can't put the ball in the hoop. Another annoying thing about our bench is when Watson takes awful long pullup jumpers in transition when there is still like 20 seconds left on the shot clock.

            Vogel needs to give Cope some more opportunities. I really liked his energy on both ends of the court. He had some nice fakes, a couple of nice passes, a nice take, and drilled that three. On defense he had a nice strip and brought some energy. IMHO, it's inexcusable that Vogel didn't give him an opportunity before now given how badly Scola and Granger have played recently. Vogel is a great coach, but sometimes he is just too rigid with his rotations.

            As Phoenix showed when they beat us twice, our weakness is teams who can successfully run and gun. The Wolves last night looked like the Showtime Lakers. Teams should honestly try to run more against us. You're dead if you try to beat us at our own game.

            Thankfully there are no back to backs in the playoffs......
            Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-20-2014, 08:04 AM.

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            • #51
              Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

              Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
              Granger ................. Maybe something is bothering him, as others have alluded to.
              He's probably puckered up because of all the trade talk. Let's see if his mind gets back to the right place after the deadline passes. (well, unless he IS traded .............)

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              • #52
                Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

                Blow it up. We can still do that by today.

                Hate this loss. Screw the B2B excuse. Other teams play too and don't behave like that. Plus our starters were rested against Atlanta the whole 4th quarter.

                The game was painful to watch at times. Team out of control on offense, rushing things which both led to our flavor of the year, turnovers, and some hero shots. Played right into Wolves' hands and we lost. The solution was there. Slow down, go to the post. Nah, we are too proud for that.
                Only George had a good game offensively but he also logged too many turnovers.

                P n' R defense was atrocious at times and Love went off on us. Yikes. Hate that guy.
                Never forget

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                • #53
                  Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

                  Was at the game and impressed to see a lot of Pacer fans in attendance.

                  Tough game to watch and will just give a a few observations.

                  Pacer bigs played like horsebleep. Very sure Roy didn't play when the game got close mainly because of the P n R. Hibbert, West & Scola were infinitely guardable by the defensively suspect TWolves bigs. That just can't happen. Those three along with Mahinmi got beat like a drum on the boards. The rebounding numbers only ended in the Pacers favor because PG & Lance were so good coupled with Brewer & Buddinger's poor efforts.

                  Not sure if it was a lack of defensive preparation or defensive execution but there are couple of key things you can't do against the Wolves. You can't give Love open looks from behind the arc and you can't allow Brewer to leak out in transition. They feed off those situations emotionally. The P n R was good for them tonight but if you make them grind it out in the half court I'm not convinced the Wolves could of P n R'd their way to win.

                  Lance missed a couple of open looks early and then let a couple of early bad calls get in his head. He pressed and played in an agitated state the rest of the night. George Hill was too passive offensively. CJ Watson is not much of a creator or playmaker so when he misses open shots it hurts. What happened to Scola's "crafty" post skills. It seems like everyone in the league can guard him within 10' of the basket.

                  Not convinced that Scola should be playing over Copeland right now. From jump Copeland got a lot of attention from the Wolves defensively last night. The lane opended up considerably and the guy can obviously score. Given some consistent minutes he could help the bench a lot offensively. I get there issues on the defensive side of the ball but it isn't like Scola is making a difference there either.

                  PG had a great game scoring the basketball. If he could only just develop some patience and focus on making the simple pass.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

                    We have lost our offensive identity. Your turn, my turn between PG, Lance, and West. Hill is a good scorer, but cannot get shots. Roy is barely involved. Our bench has been bad for a while now. Hopefully Bird makes a trade to fix our bench
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                    • #55
                      Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

                      Larry Bird needs to think long and hard about keeping Lance Stephenson at this point. He is NOT THAT GOOD. Dude's head is about as big as the Sky right now.
                      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

                        SSDD. We're at the point now where someone needs to make some changes, and I'm looking at Frankie V to make them.

                        Our offense simply gives up on penetration too early in the shot clock (and pretty much gives up for good by the end of the first quarter). I can't see what they're afraid of - it isn't like they will turn over the ball any more by passing it in to Roy than by firing a pass behind someone's back on the perimeter.

                        It certainly LOOKS like guys have believed their own press and are playing like primadonas out there. When the players we have to count on to be steady (like DWest) have a bad night, there's no foundation.
                        BillS

                        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                        • #57
                          Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

                          I thought our offense in the first quarter was awful, which directly led to our atrocious transition defense. (if you watched ESPN, Hubie Brown broke this down rather well) Our offense the rest of the game wasn't much better.

                          Our shot selection was painful to watch, our ball movement was terrible, our passing was nonexistant, and we had several players trying to do things on their own (PG and Lance) We didn't trust our offense or our teammates. Were we selfish? - I won't say that, it was more hero ball as in things are going bad so let me bail us out. Instead of trusting the game plan, trusting the system trusting your teammates, trusting the coaching staff, we played hero ball.

                          The T-Wolves play a different style of defense. They double team the post, trap ballhandlers, go for steals on every play. And the pacers offense played right into their style. Against that defense you need much more passing and player movement, and ball reversal and if you do that well, you can get some easy shots. There is a reason the T-Wolves are last in defensive FG% and yet 4th in creating turnovers. (My guess is the Spurs slice and dice the T-Wolves defense)

                          And our transition defense was disgusting at least partially because of our horrible offense. Every bad shot was like a long outlet pass for the T-Wolves.

                          I am expecting the film session today to be extremely painful for the Pacers. if they went play by play and pointed out all the mistakes it might take them 4 or 5 hours.

                          A disgusting loss. They did not resemble a good team at all. They did not resemble a together team at all.
                          Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-20-2014, 10:16 AM.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

                            Originally posted by BillS View Post
                            When the players we have to count on to be steady (like DWest) have a bad night, there's no foundation.
                            That is an excellent point. Hadn't really thought of that. West wasn't hitting so PG and Lance figured they had to do it on their own.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

                              Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                              We have lost our offensive identity. Your turn, my turn between PG, Lance, and West. Hill is a good scorer, but cannot get shots. Roy is barely involved. Our bench has been bad for a while now. Hopefully Bird makes a trade to fix our bench
                              You just did an Anti-Quinn!
                              You said the exact truth in a minimal amount of words.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Pacers / TWolves Post Game Thread - 2/19

                                I am a little concerned at this point, something just seems off. Was talking to Seth last night and he is worrying it is going to be like IT's last year where the wheels just fell off. I don't get that same vibe, but right now we could not beat Miami in a 7 game series. I don't know if we need a last minute trade or a lineup change. Personally, I think Lance is stopping the ball a little too much right now, I'd like to see HIll take back some of the ball handling duties.

                                I want to think more and then I might be back in here to post some more thoughts, but Roy was benched for pretty much the whole 4th quarter last night. I wonder what the message was.....


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