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  • #16
    Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

    IBTW Hicks I dont think UB was badmouthing Tins by saying he had balls. I agree completley.
    I wasn't saying he was badmouthing Tinsley. I agree Tins has balls.

    Read my last post. That's what I was trying to say.
    I just needed to re read it yeah I see what you are saying. It looked like you miss understood UB on first reading.

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    • #17
      Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

      I didn't get to see the game and I just looked at the box score. What the hell happened with JO/Al having 11 TOs between them?

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      • #18
        Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

        I didn't exactly see the game, so my input probably isn't all that great. But I am very impressed with Tins' shooting, very impressed. Reg played another solid game.

        Go figure, it was our guards that won it for us.

        I haven't had a problem until now, but I believe Kenny should be playing backup PG. AJ maybe spot minutes. Defense is lacking severly, and we need a vet presence of the bench. I really really think Kenny should start playing.

        Bender played well, so I will give his dues. But I still am not convinced until he does this consistantly.

        Al needs to get his *** into gear, he sucked. Terribly.

        JO as well, though he didn't suck, and played well at the end. Very well in fact. Rebounded and scored well in the fourth. Good work

        Fred needs to shoot more. Be more aggressive.
        Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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        • #19
          Hey UB......

          UB, how do you feel abuot AJ these days? I know you were a fan of his early on, and he still does some good things. Do you agree with the growing opinion that his minutes should go to KA?

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          • #20
            Re: Hey UB......

            UB, how do you feel abuot AJ these days? I know you were a fan of his early on, and he still does some good things. Do you agree with the growing opinion that his minutes should go to KA?

            No I don't Not that Kenny could not do almost as well, but AJ is a good backup and I fail to see why some are saying AJ has ben playing bad recently.

            I chalk up most of it to the typical backup quarterback syndrome, the longer players sit on the bench the better they get in most fans eyes.

            Most everyone early in the year was very disatisfied with Kenny, I wasn't, but most others were.

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            • #21
              Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

              My thought when he hit that second three was, "He's starting to look like a New York point guard", which, if you talk to anyone from NY, is high praise.

              I'm torn on the whole KA/AJ thing. Yeah, Kenny should be playing, but in a tight game like tonight, I didn't like the idea of throwing in a point man who hasn't played real minutes in two months. We need some easy games to get him back into the swing of things. Problem is, we may not have any easy games without Ronny.

              I'm convinced AJ's problem is physical. He's played like **** ever since he tore that ab muscle. I know they said it's better, but I don't buy it. That's a kind of injury that takes a long time to heal.
              Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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              • #22
                Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

                Tinsley is really stepping up to the plate.

                Many were critical of Carlisle for benching Tinsley, but I would ask them what they think were the motivators for Tinsley's improvement.

                I believe that Tinsley's better conditioning and dedication to summer workouts would have enabled him to play better, regardless of whether he was benched or not. But by starting him straight out of the gate, I believe it would have implied an acceptance of HOW Tinsley was playing. It would not have done nothing to change Tinsley's approach to the game and HOW he plays at all.

                So IMO, his early benching motivated him to play ball the way Carlisle wants him to play. Namely, taking much better care of the basketball and cutting down the number of risky passes. When Tinsley finally got his opportunity, I think that point had sufficiently been droven home.

                By the way, what's up with the fixation on Tinsley's BALLS that everyone seems to have this evening?

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                • #23
                  Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

                  something that might be interesting for those "doubting" Tins can/could improve:

                  Tinsley hit 4-of-5 3-pointers. He's hitting 36 percent for the season, after hitting 26 percent during his first two NBA seasons.

                  "It's just me working over the summer on my shot and my body, and it's carrying over," he said. "When you work on your game in the offseason, it carries over. As a young player, I didn't understand that. But being around players like Reggie and seeing how they work, it's something I wanted to do."
                  that is a 38.46 percent improvement from one year to another.
                  Add to that his constant practise to get better (seems Ron's drive is rubbing off) and he will get even better, add to that the "forced" end of clock prayer shots he needs to make sometimes and this percentage is VERY good already, waiting to get better.

                  No one doubted Tins's court-vision and passing capabilities, but if he continues to also improve his shot, he opens up a whole new world at point for the P's.

                  His defense is already so much improved that we prefer him over all others we have, so I left that alone for now

                  So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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                  Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                  • #24
                    Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

                    Many were critical of Carlisle for benching Tinsley, but I would ask them what they think were the motivators for Tinsley's improvement.

                    I believe that Tinsley's better conditioning and dedication to summer workouts would have enabled him to play better, regardless of whether he was benched or not. But by starting him straight out of the gate, I believe it would have implied an acceptance of HOW Tinsley was playing. It would not have done nothing to change Tinsley's approach to the game and HOW he plays at all.

                    So IMO, his early benching motivated him to play ball the way Carlisle wants him to play. Namely, taking much better care of the basketball and cutting down the number of risky passes. When Tinsley finally got his opportunity, I think that point had sufficiently been droven home.

                    By the way, what's up with the fixation on Tinsley's BALLS that everyone seems to have this evening?
                    I sugested early on that Tins benching was only to teach him a lesson and that he would regain the starting job at some point because he was clearly the best pg on the team and I got shouted down.


                    No I don't Not that Kenny could not do almost as well, but AJ is a good backup and I fail to see why some are saying AJ has ben playing bad recently.
                    You have been saying he is a good defender but I dont buy it. I think his defense stinks and I dont understand why you cant see that. He was treated like a readheaded step child by the Wizards tonight and this was not unusuall.

                    Most everyone early in the year was very disatisfied with Kenny, I wasn't, but most others were.
                    I was one of those people but I was unhappy with him as a starter. I would much rather see him as the backup. He showed he was a good pg in Boston and he did a pretty good job as a backuo in N.O. I just think the offense runs better with him than with AJ and I dont buy the AJ is so good on D it makes up for the fact that they can not score when he is in.

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                    • #25
                      Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

                      Ragnar -

                      In viewing the 5-man plus=minus team statistics, one would have to admit that the plus/minus is better with KA on the floor than AJ.

                      But AJ's performance with starting players is not bad at all. However, when you pair AJ with Harrington, that's when AJ's plus/minus stats begin to falter. So should we conclude that we should just keep Al out of the lineup? <Just kidding>

                      But, the differences between these two players stand out when you look at their individual statistics. All stats are fairly equal except for 3FG%, FT% and steals. They average about the same number of minutes per game. Turnovers, points, assists, etc. are very close.

                      I think that helps point out the difference between the two. KA's game is mid-range and in, he attacks the basket better. AJ's game is perimeter, he definitely is a better perimeter shooter.

                      I don't think either one is necessarily BETTER than the other. I just think they are DIFFERENT in their approaches to the game. And quite frankly, Carlisle should use them and their strengths as situations present themselves.

                      For example, with Artest out, we will probably rely on Reggie and Tinsley for perimeter shooting, with a contribution from Austin or Bender off the bench. Because we are little shorthanded on perimeter shooting without Artest, perhaps that indicates that AJ should be the one to be used in the near term. Whereas if we had Artest, then he, Reggie and Tinsley would be the shooters, so AJ could easily be used at that time.

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                      • #26
                        Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

                        The Wizards announcers are complaining about the refs calls, sorry guys.
                        Mark and Slick said Eddie Jordan went after Leon Wood after the game. They didn't seem to know why. Slick boiled it down to "We made shots down the stretch and they didn't. That's not the ref's fault."
                        Specifically, the no call against Arenas when both Jamaal and Jeff might have fouled him with about two minutes to play. Jordan and Phil Chenier (ex-Pacer ) were all over the officials from that point on.
                        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                        And life itself, rushing over me
                        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                        • #27
                          Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

                          You say it was a no call and they clearly said that but the Washington station showed the replay from several angles At first they were livid saying the first shot was a bad angle thats why you could not see the foul.

                          Then they showed a second angle and it looked like he did not foul him at all. So they showed another angel and by that time the announcers were just saying well er uh because there was no foul.

                          Arenas and Tins were running down the court Tins had his arm out between them (this is allowed unless facing each other) Arenas went up for a fade away jumper and fell down. Eddie Jordan thought that Tins fouled him but the replays clearly show that he did not.

                          If they would have called Tins for that it would have been the most ticky tack foul of the game.

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                          • #28
                            Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

                            Other than the last bank shot...that was Jamal's most mature game of the year...he made good decisions in the Pacers 4th quater run...pulling the ball out on offensive boards or broken break situations and running the offense...

                            And his defense i think was solid...especially in the 4th... he really got under gilberts skin..and basically locked him down late.

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                            • #29
                              Re: I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Tinsley, and other thoughts

                              I'm just answering the question.

                              I was laughing at the Wizards announcers when they couldn't find a replay angle to justify thier complaining.
                              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                              And life itself, rushing over me
                              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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