Vogel has run his starters in the ground. They are a young team and shouldn't look anywhere close to what they looked like against Dallas. Dallas is an old team on a back to back and we were the tired ones at home. Why wouldn't you let Butler have some minutes when the rest of the team can't throw it in the ocean. Maybe Copeland also. He still has some of the Jim O'Brien influence in him with his unwillingness to trust and develope a bench. That is why the bench struggles this year and why they struggled last year. It is obvious it wasn't the players. Plumlee, Green and Augustine have all played well in different situations. What do you have to lose with Butler, he just had another double figure game and is shooting a very high percentage, reward the guy with some trust for always being ready. No he rewarded PG with more minutes so he could force up bad shot after bad shot. Also what is wrong with Hibbert?