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  • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

    Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
    I like that trade. Pau Gasol would be a difference maker off the bench. I do worry about the backup wing. Butler has played well, but I don't know if he is ready for the pressure of a deep playoff run. Almost too late to throw Butler in that role
    When it matters, in the playoffs, the rotations really tighten up. At that point, I could see PG, Lance, CJ and Hill covering the 1-3 spots. They are all very versatile players.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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    • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
      When it matters, in the playoffs, the rotations really tighten up. At that point, I could see PG, Lance, CJ and Hill covering the 1-3 spots. They are all very versatile players.
      We would be very small at the SF position if we did that. Granted PG will be playing most of those minutes, if he gets in foul trouble..it's over.

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      • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

        Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
        We would be very small at the SF position if we did that. Granted PG will be playing most of those minutes, if he gets in foul trouble..it's over.
        Lance is oversized as a SG so we'd be ok with him at SF.
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        • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
          Lance is oversized as a SG so we'd be ok with him at SF.
          Idk..at 6'4-6'5, he's a tad undersized height wise. His height deficiency is maximized more when flanked by a 6'2 SG. Our greatest attribute against other teams is our size.

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          • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

            Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
            When it matters, in the playoffs, the rotations really tighten up. At that point, I could see PG, Lance, CJ and Hill covering the 1-3 spots. They are all very versatile players.

            Scola and Granger for Gasol and Meeks works. We'd have enough to sign Lance if you add our trade exception from the Plumlee trade, Gasol's expiring, and Meeks expiring.

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            • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

              Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
              Idk..at 6'4-6'5, he's a tad undersized height wise. His height deficiency is maximized more when flanked by a 6'2 SG. Our greatest attribute against other teams is our size.
              His wingspan is like a ridic 6'10" or something though.

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              • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

                Originally posted by kmjohnson View Post
                His wingspan is like a ridic 6'10" or something though.
                That doesn't matter against Lebron, Melo, Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, or even a Demar Derozan. These guys are big, long and athletic

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                • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

                  Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                  Lance is oversized as a SG so we'd be ok with him at SF.
                  I agree, that is one of the many things he brings. He is so versatile. I have always though he would be a even bigger miss match on SFs (going back to his BearCat days). He is a rare combo guard/ Forward IMO

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                  • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

                    Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                    Scola and Granger for Gasol and Meeks works. We'd have enough to sign Lance if you add our trade exception from the Plumlee trade, Gasol's expiring, and Meeks expiring.
                    In what universe does our trade exception in any way help with the re-signing of Lance. A trade exception can only be used as a throw-in within a trade to help the comparative total traded salaries fall within the tolerance limits from eac other (as specified in the CBA).

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                    • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

                      Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                      This has devolved into random trade speculation thread now.

                      summary of he facts: If the Pacers want to re-sign Lance, they need to add no salary in trade for next year or beyond. Thus any trade would be for an equally big, if not bigger, expiring contract. No reasonable possibilities exist, to my knowledge, other than Pao Gasol and Luol Deng. Neither seems reasonable, by any analysis that I've seen presented here.

                      So are we going to go on for another 193 posts cooking up far-fetched multiteam versions and posting our new dream Pacer lineup? Really?
                      Uhhh...please don't bring this thread back to the realities of what the Pacers salary Cap situation is.

                      Unless the Pacers are dealing with a GM that is really stupid....THE BEST that the Pacers can hope out of any trade of Granger is to dump Copeland's contract while getting back a HUGE Expiring Contract. Anything beyond that is IMHO a pipedream. The reality is that Granger does not have that much trade value.
                      Last edited by CableKC; 02-13-2014, 01:32 AM.
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                      • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

                        Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                        This has devolved into random trade speculation thread now.

                        summary of he facts: If the Pacers want to re-sign Lance, they need to add no salary in trade for next year or beyond. Thus any trade would be for an equally big, if not bigger, expiring contract. No reasonable possibilities exist, to my knowledge, other than Pao Gasol and Luol Deng. Neither seems reasonable, by any analysis that I've seen presented here.

                        So are we going to go on for another 193 posts cooking up far-fetched multiteam versions and posting our new dream Pacer lineup? Really?
                        The Gasol speculations sound interesting. Why do you consider them unrealistic?
                        "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                        • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

                          Based on recent reports of Milwaukee wanting Eric Gordon, I came up with this...

                          Pacers trade: Granger, CJ Watson
                          Bucks trade: Gary Neal, OJ Mayo, Zaza Pachulia, Caron Butler, and Antetokounmpo
                          Pelicans trade: Eric Gordon.



                          Pacers acquire: Gary Neal, OJ Mayo
                          Bucks acquire: Eric Gordon, Danny Granger, CJ Watson
                          Pelicans acquire: Butler, Antetokounmpo, Pachulia




                          Pacers bench...

                          Scola
                          Copeland
                          Bynum
                          Mayo
                          Neal



                          Bucks projected starters...

                          Ilyasova
                          Granger
                          Henson/Sanders
                          Gordon
                          Knight



                          For the Pelicans, they get an upgrade at Center in Pachulia. Butler's contract is expiring, and Antetokounmpo would be a good piece to have for a young back court. Would allow them to move Rivers. Antetokounmpo/Holiday/Evans. But unloading Gordon's contract is a win for NO. Frees up lots of space.








                          A smaller deal would be CJ and Orlando to Milwaukee for Gary Neal. Neal wants out, and the Bucks have been rumored to want to accomodate his exit. CJ is a serviceable backup, and Orlando would get playing time in Gary's place. Gary and CJ's salaries are similar. Both have 1 year left on their deals after this season.


                          Then it's...

                          Copeland and Butler to Cleveland for CJ Miles. Cleveland would love Copeland's stretch 4 abilities. He'll get PT there. Butler is a vet who can still ball, and maybe will calm down some of those young knuckleheads (Waiters and Irving).




                          So our projected bench....



                          Scola
                          Granger
                          Bynum
                          Miles
                          Neal
                          Last edited by Grimp; 02-13-2014, 07:41 PM.

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                          • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

                            RealGM is that way -->

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                            • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

                              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                              The Gasol speculations sound interesting. Why do you consider them unrealistic?
                              Would you be excited about it as a Lakers fan, a rental of a broken down Granger and (maybe) Copeland for a rental of Pao (a much better player) without any 1st round draft picks from 2014 or 2015 going to LA?

                              If they consider Pao Gasol's expiring contract to be an asset, why wouldn't they use it to get maximum future value, sweetened with draft picks?
                              The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                              • Re: Zach Lowe - Pacers actively shopping Granger

                                Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                                Would you be excited about it as a Lakers fan, a rental of a broken down Granger and (maybe) Copeland for a rental of Pao (a much better player) without any 1st round draft picks from 2014 or 2015 going to LA?

                                If they consider Pao Gasol's expiring contract to be an asset, why wouldn't they use it to get maximum future value, sweetened with draft picks?



                                Cleveland's GM was the same way. Wanting picks and obsessively over-valuing players. He's fired now. I think if the Lakers are demanding 1st rounders from teams wanting Pau, they won't find many takers. The teams with 1st rounders in the top 15 (except Charlotte and Denver)....are bad teams. They don't need Pau for a playoff run they'll never have. Bobcats are rolling along fine with Al Jefferson. Denver would have to give up a shooter for Pau. Not to mention, Mozgov and McGee? 3 Centers now? I think they'd do the deal if we take Nick Young off their hands too. Losing the final year of his contract.

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