Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel
Ah its that time of year again I see. Pacers trying to trade Granger according to "sources" What is this, the 4th straight year of this? Each year seeming more far fetched than the previous.
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I don't buy it. Nothing we could get for Danny without taking back long term salary makes any sense. If the Pacers could get a player like Deng without giving up anything else then I might see it but that won't happen. If a deal came up that was to good to be true then I could see Larry doing it but other then that I think there's a certain degree of loyalty from the Pacers franchise to Danny.
Everything boils down to what the motivation that Bird has if they are considering moving Granger.
Is it to get back a better Player and/or prospects ( irregardless of the affect such Players would have on the long-term Salary Cap implications and/or dumping Copeland )?
Is it to dump Copeland to improve the 2014-2015 Salary Cap situation ( while hopefully getting back a Wingman that can help the Team in the short term )?
If it is the former ( see if we can improve the bench somehow by getting a better Player than Granger ), than I agree....it would be hard to get a better Player than Granger.
If it is the latter ( pure Salary Dump that includes Copeland ), if such a deal exists.........and the purpose is to clear 2014-2015 Salary.....then I can see Bird making such a move.
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I dont see how Larry will simply trade Danny right now to clear a little more cap space next year... The only way that he would do that is if he gets back someone who is servicable, and I dont see anything that would make sense and be realistic... I think that if you dont get a clear upgrade, than trading Danny is a gamble that more than likely wont end in with a net plus for the Pacers...
Why don't the Pacer try and go for a trade with the Wizards for Ariza? They are worried that they can't afford him anyways. Maybe add a third team in the deal that could get Wizards a back up PG.
Why you Grimpin?
just curious, where are you getting your bench stats from? how are you comparing our bench with that of other teams?
i can compare our most-played bench lineup (watson-stephenson-granger-scola-mahinmi), with say, OKC's most-played bench (jackson-fisher-lamb-collison-adams), which would be considered an above average bench in the nba. (if you disagree, please feel free to substitute that of another team here.)
all stats from 82games.
IND: 117 min, 1.03 off rating, 0.97 def rating, +10, 0.448 eFG, 0.458 eFGa, -2 FT differential, 54.5% reb rate, +1% T/O differential
OKC: 110 min, 1.03 off rating, 1.00 def rating, +8, 0.386 eFG, 0.409 eFGa, -13 FT differential, 52.5% reb rate, +3 T/O differential
the stats seem to show at the very least our bench is just as good or better than OKC's in quite a few areas.
I think it would be a pretty low and crappy backhanded move for the Pacer's FO to do Danny like that....
As much as DG33 has been loyal and stuck with us through thick and thin, and been given all assurances he's been given by the organization that they would stick by him......... IF they jettisoned him out before he got a chance to play for and get a ring with us, in the middle of possibly what is going to be the best season this organization has EVER had, I would lose ALL respect for Herb Simon and Bird .. and how they conduct business... And that is saying ALOT, considering I look up to Larry Bird as a basketball god in all facets of the game.. Plus he was my favorite player of all time...
You just don't do someone like that....Business or not.....
Now after this season is done, if a very reasonable contract can't be agreed upon when DG33 becomes a free agent, or if either/both parties decided to part ways..... then so be it... I would be sad to see him go ...
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Lowe is an X's and O's guy first and foremost. And that makes for a refreshing and interesting take on NBA journalism. He is probably the best in that regard, but the last thing I'd expect of him is an in-tune pulse of the league's trade scenarios. Maybe he got too big for his britches. "The Pacers have been actively shopping Danny Granger" is a recurrent and sadly safe topic in the shallow world of sports journalism.
But sports journalist to front office? Surely you jest.
Sure Bynum will have to earn the spot, and if he plays like crap then it will go to Mahinmi. But Bynum's comments about backing up Roy make it pretty clear, IMO, that Bird and Vogel strongly implied to him that the backup spot is basically his to lose. I seriously doubt that Bynum would have come here to be a third stringer behind Ian Mahinmi when he could have gone a couple of other places and made an impact. He won't get paid by third stringer.
Bynum is a very good rebounder. His per-36 rebounding rate with the Cavs was higher than Mahinmi's this season (9.5 vs. 7.3), and that's when he was playing his first games back from injury. Bird brought Bynum in because even a 50% Bynum is likely going to be a much better player than Mahinmi. Mahinmi simply cannot play offense and that will always hamper the second unit to an extent. Bynum's ability to score near the basket will add more options for our second unit. As long as Bynum is reasonably healthy, I think we can coach his defense to an acceptable level.
I personally hope we keep Danny, I think he will get better he was off for two years and he keeps looking better game by game.
Here is a bench stat that supports his claim.
How did this get to 7 pages and why people take this seriously is beyond me. We've been "actively shopping Granger" since 08-09. These threads come and go...