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    If we are trying to pick up an expiring for Granger, my guess is we would be dealing with tanking teams and throwing Cope in as a thank you token.
    THe only name that had me wonder is Paul Pierce for Granger and Copeland.

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    Salaries would have to match up without Cleveland adding anything else. Since they just traded for Deng they can't package him with any other player (not sure about picks, though) in another deal.
    Those salaries do work according to the trade machine.

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    We should trade him to a team desperate to shed salary so they have cap space to re-sign a growing star coming off their rookie deal.

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    THe only name that had me wonder is Paul Pierce for Granger and Copeland.
    I feel like the Nets are too good for that now, as they are probably a playoff team.

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    Cue Grimp


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    We don't really need that much out of him to be honest. We need him to find his shot, which isn't unreasonable. We don't need him to come in and be instant offense. We need him to hit open threes. His defense, truth be told, really hasn't been bad.


    Well its either that or the FO doesn't really care about the LT and thats all a ruse for resigning Stephenson. I prefer this explanation btw.
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    Those salaries do work according to the trade machine.
    It would be awfully nice of Dan Gilbert and his new GM to aid us in stopping 'Bron. Wouldn't be too thrilled about adding Solo to that deal though. It would basically be trading three straight first round picks (Plumlee, Solo, 2014 pick) for one title run.

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    We should trade him to a team desperate to shed salary so they have cap space to re-sign a growing star coming off their rookie deal.
    And what would they give us

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    Hey, its a thread you can finally post in where it won't immediately get moved to the other forum.

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    Why trade Granger period? It just doesn't make sense.
    There is a legit reason to trade Granger.....to dump Copeland's contract this season instead of next season ( when the cost will be significantly higher if the Pacers try to re-sign Lance )

    If Bird thinks that the Team is good enough without Granger to win a Championship THIS SEASON while having the opportunity to dump Copeland's contract while getting back NO Salary beyond this season....I think that it is something that he'd consider ( of course, all in an effort to make it easier to re-sign Lance ).

    I'm not saying that it is easy to find such a trade to ( A ) net a Player(s) that can help this season for a Deep Playoff run that also ( B ) has an Expiring Contract ( cuz such a trade would ESSENTIALLY be considered a Salary Dump ).....I'm just saying that I think that it is a valid reason as to why Bird MAY Trade Granger.

    To be clear......this may not make sense as a goal to accomplish for this season ( since it will likely impair this Teams ability to win it all this season )....but makes sense if you think of it as a long-term move ( which is to re-sign Lance ).

    IMHO....I think that Bird is the type of guy that is thinking in the "here and now" as opposed to thinking "beyond this season" ( hence why he's not finding any "buyers" for what he is peddling )....but if he is able to find a trade that accomplishes what I mention above ( which is near impossible IMHO ), then I think that he'd consider it.
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    It would be awfully nice of Dan Gilbert and his new GM to aid us in stopping 'Bron. Wouldn't be too thrilled about adding Solo to that deal though. It would basically be trading three straight first round picks (Plumlee, Solo, 2014 pick) for one title run.
    I would have zero issue with moving Solomon Jones for a better shot at the title this season but I don't see what possible incentive Cleveland would have.

    Unless you're right and Gilbert is that big of a vindictive *******. Which actually seems plausible with him.
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    We should trade him to a team desperate to shed salary so they have cap space to re-sign a growing star coming off their rookie deal.
    WE are "a team desperate to shed salary so we have cap space to re-sign a growing star coming off their rookie deal."
    "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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    I would have zero issue with moving Solomon Jones for a better shot at the title this season but I don't see what possible incentive Cleveland would have.

    Unless you're right and Gilbert is that big of a vindictive *******. Which actually seems plausible with him.
    I mean if that were the price of doing business I wouldn't hold up a deal for the likes of Solomon Hill (not Jones, lol). Still, like you, unless Gilbert is that vindictive, I can't see the Cavs doing that one.

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    I just don't see the team that is both dumb enough and has the right assets to be like yes let us trade you our larger expiring contract for your smaller expiring contract and a guy on a multi year deal that you don't want.

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    I would have zero issue with moving Solomon Jones for a better shot at the title this season but I don't see what possible incentive Cleveland would have.

    Unless you're right and Gilbert is that big of a vindictive *******. Which actually seems plausible with him.
    The only thing I could see is the Cavs saying, "Okay Deng isn't re-signing with us, and CJ Miles will be hard to keep. We aren't getting LeBron, and Anthony Bennett has been awful. We need to get some sort of relief at small forward for the future."

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    And what would they give us
    I don't know, an expiring so we could shed salary to have the cap space to re-sign our growing star coming off his rookie deal.

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    The only thing I could see is the Cavs saying, "Okay Deng isn't re-signing with us, and CJ Miles will be hard to keep. We aren't getting LeBron, and Anthony Bennett has been awful. We need to get some sort of relief at small forward for the future."
    Then they just sign Granger in the offseason like they would have to anyway, even if they traded for him.

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    Actually, trading Granger can only make re-signing Lance more difficult. Granger is an expiring contract. Unless we trade him and someone else for an even larger expiring contract, we gain nothing.
    Assuming that a Granger+Copeland trade could be made where some GM decides to send back nothing but expirings ( which I agree is near impossible given Granger+Copeland's salary....which amount to roughly $17 mil in returning Expiring Contracts ).....then you do gain something......capspace in 2014-2015 to re-sign Lance.

    The question is what is Bird's motive to put Granger on the trading block.....short term gain ( improve the Team for this season's Championship run ) or long-term gain ( make it easier to re-sign Lance ).
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    I mean if that were the price of doing business I wouldn't hold up a deal for the likes of Solomon Hill (not Jones, lol). Still, like you, unless Gilbert is that vindictive, I can't see the Cavs doing that one.
    Uhh, Solomon Hill too.

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    Danny Granger and Ian Mahinmi for Pau Gasol!
    We have Bynum, why go get Pau? The reason Bynum was traded was because he and Pau couldn't play together.

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    We should trade him to a team desperate to shed salary so they have cap space to re-sign a growing star coming off their rookie deal.
    Teams that want to shed salary wants to get rid of their Long-term salary in exchange for expiring Contracts. That is EXACTLY what the Pacers WOULD NOT want to do....specifically take back any salary beyond this season.
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    We have Bynum, why go get Pau? The reason Bynum was traded was because he and Pau couldn't play together.
    The reason Bynum was traded was to get Dwight Howard. Bynum and Gasol played just fine together when they won those two titles.

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    Then they just sign Granger in the offseason like they would have to anyway, even if they traded for him.
    I was thinking more about getting younger with Solomon Hill and getting a 3 point specialist like Copeland. Granger is just there.

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    Teams that want to shed salary wants to get rid of their Long-term salary in exchange for expiring Contracts. That is EXACTLY what the Pacers WOULD NOT want to do....specifically take back any salary beyond this season.
    Well, I'm just think of what type of team would be interested in Danny('s Contract, cause that's what we're really trading).

    Hey, wouldya look at that? The Pacers have a growing star coming off his rookie deal...

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    I don't disagree.

    The only thing I could potentially see out there is something like Ben Gordon and Portland's 1st for Granger and Copeland. Charlotte is desperate for outside shooting because their wings are 7 shades of awful from the 3-point line and they want to make the playoffs. But now we're starting to get into Grimp land and I'm not going down that road right now.
    I think that unless the goal is to "get some tangible long-term asset" in return for Granger ( which I think is near impossible ), the goal of trading Granger should be a long-term goal ( clear Capspace to re-sign Lance ) as opposed to as short-term goal ( as in, get some assets....prospect, picks, etc. for Granger ).

    I've mentioned this before....I would look at trading Granger+Copeland PURELY as a Salary Dump while getting back a Player that SHOULD be able to help. I'd tweak your trade suggestion to Granger+Copeland for Ben Gordon ( who I thought Bird/Donnie liked WAY BACK WHEN ) + Jeff Adrien ( or Anthony Tolliver ). At worst....add in a swap of 2nd round picks...like the Warriors 2nd round 2014-2015 pick for Bobcats 2nd round 2014-2015 pick.

    IMHO....the purpose of trading Granger shouldn't be to get back some long-ter asset...it should be to dump Copeland while getting back no long-term salary and a Player that should be able to help. If you can find a trade that would do that....then you do it.
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