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Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

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  • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

    I bet people in Seattle would love to have a team puffing out their chests when they have the best record in the league while killing it on defense. So we lost to Orlando. Miami lost to utah, the Spurs to Detroit, and OKC lost to some low level team as well. It happens in any season. I'll take a team with a little swagger, were we all not jumping on that last season, to one playing scared and afraid to lose.

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    • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

      Paul needs to stop whining and get back on defense. It's gotten progressively worse, especially as he's hit this slump and his shot isn't falling. I think everybody here knows that this team is better with Paul than without, but there are still some serious maturity issues with him and Lance.

      If they could conduct themselves on the floor like Hill does I would be ecstatic. Hill drops almost 40 on one of the best teams in the league and all I saw was a cool professional out there. Paul George hits ONE shot at the end and acts like he singlehandedly won the championship. I was embarrassed for him.

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      • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

        Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
        ****** phone ugh. Ill respond tomorrow when i can use my comp. stupid phone is pissing me off. But feel free to check our PER recently. Pretty sure its been close to 100 alot lately.
        I'll help ya out. There aren't five.

        You want to dismiss points given up and FG% in favor of PER? Okay, I'll play. 100 would rank them 4th, and only two points behind first. Currently, they're 1st with a PER of 93.8. Chicago is next and has a PER of 98.2. That's a difference of 4.4, or the difference between 2nd place Chicago and 11th-12th place Mem-ATL.

        How in the world you can try to claim that the Pacers haven't been playing elite defense, when any metric you use puts them 1-4?
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

          Originally posted by SycamoreKen View Post
          I bet people in Seattle would love to have a team puffing out their chests when they have the best record in the league while killing it on defense.
          Ahh, yes. Seattle - the NBA's "finish your vegetables, there are starving kids in Africa".

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          • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

            People on here need to settle down. Damn. I have never seen anything to make me think PG and Lance are LeBron and Wade. For starters, I've never seen either of them flop as badly as I've seen LeBron flop. I've also never seen either of them try and purposely hurt opposing players like I've seen Wade try and hurt opposing players. And other than the incredibly stupid flops, I kind of like LeBron. Wade on the other hand is an *******...

            As for the whining to the refs, If you don't think our lack of whining to the refs while Miami was whining (and whining between games) was detrimental to us in the playoffs last year, then your a moron. You could see the refs attitudes changing after games where Miami complained, and during games when the Pacers had the momentum and Miami was complaining. Besides, I've seen our players complain to the refs, but I've never seen them chase down refs while screaming, like I have with LeBron. I always hear from people who played at a high school level that you shouldn't blame the refs. That's utter BS. Every big time winner I've ever seen in basketball complained constantly to the refs, from Jordan, to LeBron, to Kobe, to the king of complaining, Phil Jackson. It's part of the game and the Pacers needed to get better at it.
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            • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

              Originally posted by Rogco View Post
              People on here need to settle down. Damn. I have never seen anything to make me think PG and Lance are LeBron and Wade. For starters, I've never seen either of them flop as badly as I've seen LeBron flop. I've also never seen either of them try and purposely hurt opposing players like I've seen Wade try and hurt opposing players. And other than the incredibly stupid flops, I kind of like LeBron. Wade on the other hand is an *******...

              As for the whining to the refs, If you don't think our lack of whining to the refs while Miami was whining (and whining between games) was detrimental to us in the playoffs last year, then your a moron. You could see the refs attitudes changing after games where Miami complained, and during games when the Pacers had the momentum and Miami was complaining. Besides, I've seen our players complain to the refs, but I've never seen them chase down refs while screaming, like I have with LeBron. I always hear from people who played at a high school level that you shouldn't blame the refs. That's utter BS. Every big time winner I've ever seen in basketball complained constantly to the refs, from Jordan, to LeBron, to Kobe, to the king of complaining, Phil Jackson. It's part of the game and the Pacers needed to get better at it.
              We really want to go down this road?

              "We might flop, but not as badly as Miami!!"

              "Sure we complain to the refs, but Miami does it wayyyy worse".

              "Wahh, wahh, wahh"

              That's just classic obnoxious little brother syndrome, and frankly, its an embarrassing mindset.

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              • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

                Originally posted by SycamoreKen View Post
                I bet people in Seattle would love to have a team puffing out their chests when they have the best record in the league while killing it on defense. So we lost to Orlando. Miami lost to utah, the Spurs to Detroit, and OKC lost to some low level team as well. It happens in any season. I'll take a team with a little swagger, were we all not jumping on that last season, to one playing scared and afraid to lose.
                The Thunder lost by a point to the Magic in Orlando, just like the Pacers.

                I agree, virtually all of the top teams have stumbled against a lowly important lately. That is the NBA for you.. Even the worst teams in the league have elite athletes who are always capable of putting together a good performance. I remember when the putrid 36 win 08-09 O'Brien Pacers beat the pre-KG injury Celtics (fresh off a title), Lakers, Cavs, and Magic......the four best teams in the league that year. Lower level teams are always capable of getting hot and knocking off a superior opponent. There are just so many games played that you are always going to have stuff like this happen.

                In the NBA, patterns are the only thing that matters. I'd say that 40-11 with a solid 4 game lead over Miami is a good pattern. From January 10 to February 10, the team is 12-4, and that includes a tough Western Conference road trip. Sure we have looked a bit sluggish at times, but that is precisely why they have the all star break at this point in the season. Everyone is a bit tired at this point.

                Sometimes, it feels as though this team has to win every single game to prove that they are still an elite team. We are a great team, but we are not a historically great team that was going to challenge Jordan's 1996 Bulls. We are on track for 64 wins, which would set a franchise record and should be enough to deliver the number 1 seed. It's been an absolutely phenomenal season.

                The historic 1998 Yankees won 114 games, but I think that this forum would have blew a gasket over the 48 losses.

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                • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

                  Originally posted by Eddie Gill View Post
                  That's just classic obnoxious little brother syndrome, and frankly, its an embarrassing mindset.
                  I don't think the point was "others do it too" but rather "others do it too, because it works."

                  Jeff Van Gundy is a classic example.
                  http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=2051807

                  And guess what? It worked. He's called it "the best money he's ever spent."

                  Whining is a problem in the NBA, because the league allows it and it actually works. Just like flopping.
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                  • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

                    Originally posted by Eddie Gill View Post
                    We really want to go down this road?

                    "We might flop, but not as badly as Miami!!"

                    "Sure we complain to the refs, but Miami does it wayyyy worse".

                    "Wahh, wahh, wahh"

                    That's just classic obnoxious little brother syndrome, and frankly, its an embarrassing mindset.
                    Seriously? So because I don't care that our team has some fun on the court and complains to the refs when we are getting screwed is little brother syndrome? Honestly, your comments above are just irritable old man syndrome. "Back in my day we walked up hill in the snow both ways to the basketball court. And we made sure we didn't have any fun when we were playing! And if we lost cause of the refs, we asked for more! Blah blah blah."

                    It's a game, and an emotional one. Let the players have fun, let them be upset, and as long as they're good guys, support the team.
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                    • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      I don't think the point was "others do it too" but rather "others do it too, because it works."

                      Jeff Van Gundy is a classic example.
                      http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=2051807

                      And guess what? It worked. He's called it "the best money he's ever spent."

                      Whining is a problem in the NBA, because the league allows it and it actually works. Just like flopping.
                      Thank you, that is exactly my point.
                      Danger Zone

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                      • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

                        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                        The Thunder lost by a point to the Magic in Orlando, just like the Pacers.

                        I agree, virtually all of the top teams have stumbled against a lowly important lately. That is the NBA for you.. Even the worst teams in the league have elite athletes who are always capable of putting together a good performance. I remember when the putrid 36 win 08-09 O'Brien Pacers beat the pre-KG injury Celtics (fresh off a title), Lakers, Cavs, and Magic......the four best teams in the league that year. Lower level teams are always capable of getting hot and knocking off a superior opponent. There are just so many games played that you are always going to have stuff like this happen.

                        In the NBA, patterns are the only thing that matters. I'd say that 40-11 with a solid 4 game lead over Miami is a good pattern. From January 10 to February 10, the team is 12-4, and that includes a tough Western Conference road trip. Sure we have looked a bit sluggish at times, but that is precisely why they have the all star break at this point in the season. Everyone is a bit tired at this point.

                        Sometimes, it feels as though this team has to win every single game to prove that they are still an elite team. We are a great team, but we are not a historically great team that was going to challenge Jordan's 1996 Bulls. We are on track for 64 wins, which would set a franchise record and should be enough to deliver the number 1 seed. It's been an absolutely phenomenal season.

                        The historic 1998 Yankees won 114 games, but I think that this forum would have blew a gasket over the 48 losses.


                        As long as we don't drop any games to the Bucks, I'm fine.

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                        • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

                          Originally posted by Rogco View Post
                          Seriously? So because I don't care that our team has some fun on the court and complains to the refs when we are getting screwed is little brother syndrome? Honestly, your comments above are just irritable old man syndrome. "Back in my day we walked up hill in the snow both ways to the basketball court. And we made sure we didn't have any fun when we were playing! And if we lost cause of the refs, we asked for more! Blah blah blah."

                          It's a game, and an emotional one. Let the players have fun, let them be upset, and as long as they're good guys, support the team.
                          Nowhere in my comments did I indicate that I had a problem with the players' behavior. My criticism was directed at what I consider to be your straw man argument that our behavior is justified because the Heat also do it, but "way worse". If you don't have a problem with showboating, whining, or flopping that's fine - but at least argue it on its own merits, and not in comparison to what Miami does. You clearly take issue with players "having fun" because you deem LBJ and Wade to be having too much of it.

                          Nowhere in my comments did I mention what basketball SHOULD be like, or how players should conduct themselves, though I appreciate the attempt at deflecting and changing the issue. I have a fundamental problem with the inference one could make from YOUR "Miami does it way worse" argument: that our behavior is acceptable so long as another team does more of it.

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                          • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

                            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                            I don't think the point was "others do it too" but rather "others do it too, because it works."

                            Jeff Van Gundy is a classic example.
                            http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=2051807

                            And guess what? It worked. He's called it "the best money he's ever spent."

                            Whining is a problem in the NBA, because the league allows it and it actually works. Just like flopping.
                            In the playoffs, when the entire basketball world is watching, I absolutely agree (see Phil Jackson). However, when you whine and complain this much in February, I think you run the risk of earning a bad reputation among officials - which is ultimately counter-productive.

                            Furthermore, when it starts to affect the decisions players make on the court (see PG at the end of the Orlando game), you become overly dependent on looking for the refs to bail you out to the team's own detriment.

                            You combine a team that earns a reputation as whiners with players who would rather look for a foul call than pass to an open shooter, and the problem is confounded even more.

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                            • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

                              Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                              The Thunder lost by a point to the Magic in Orlando, just like the Pacers.

                              I agree, virtually all of the top teams have stumbled against a lowly important lately. That is the NBA for you.. Even the worst teams in the league have elite athletes who are always capable of putting together a good performance. I remember when the putrid 36 win 08-09 O'Brien Pacers beat the pre-KG injury Celtics (fresh off a title), Lakers, Cavs, and Magic......the four best teams in the league that year. Lower level teams are always capable of getting hot and knocking off a superior opponent. There are just so many games played that you are always going to have stuff like this happen.

                              In the NBA, patterns are the only thing that matters. I'd say that 40-11 with a solid 4 game lead over Miami is a good pattern. From January 10 to February 10, the team is 12-4, and that includes a tough Western Conference road trip. Sure we have looked a bit sluggish at times, but that is precisely why they have the all star break at this point in the season. Everyone is a bit tired at this point.

                              Sometimes, it feels as though this team has to win every single game to prove that they are still an elite team. We are a great team, but we are not a historically great team that was going to challenge Jordan's 1996 Bulls. We are on track for 64 wins, which would set a franchise record and should be enough to deliver the number 1 seed. It's been an absolutely phenomenal season.

                              The historic 1998 Yankees won 114 games, but I think that this forum would have blew a gasket over the 48 losses.

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                              • Re: Pacers please stop the showboating and crying to the referees its getting old

                                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                                The Thunder lost by a point to the Magic in Orlando, just like the Pacers.

                                I agree, virtually all of the top teams have stumbled against a lowly important lately. That is the NBA for you.. Even the worst teams in the league have elite athletes who are always capable of putting together a good performance. I remember when the putrid 36 win 08-09 O'Brien Pacers beat the pre-KG injury Celtics (fresh off a title), Lakers, Cavs, and Magic......the four best teams in the league that year. Lower level teams are always capable of getting hot and knocking off a superior opponent. There are just so many games played that you are always going to have stuff like this happen.

                                In the NBA, patterns are the only thing that matters. I'd say that 40-11 with a solid 4 game lead over Miami is a good pattern. From January 10 to February 10, the team is 12-4, and that includes a tough Western Conference road trip. Sure we have looked a bit sluggish at times, but that is precisely why they have the all star break at this point in the season. Everyone is a bit tired at this point.

                                Sometimes, it feels as though this team has to win every single game to prove that they are still an elite team. We are a great team, but we are not a historically great team that was going to challenge Jordan's 1996 Bulls. We are on track for 64 wins, which would set a franchise record and should be enough to deliver the number 1 seed. It's been an absolutely phenomenal season.

                                The historic 1998 Yankees won 114 games, but I think that this forum would have blew a gasket over the 48 losses.
                                Remember that time the Heat lost to the 76ers this season? The same 76ers who have lost back to back 40+ point games. HA.

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