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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

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  • #61
    Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

    Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
    It was ridiculous though. We nearly force a jump ball, but apparently a time out was called, then we force another time out to be called because Orlando couldn't pass it in, then they pass it in between David West's legs, ball bounces high and we come up with it. Then we run down the court and PG takes a bad shot missing open shooters. You could tell as soon as PG got to half court he was attacking the basket and taking a shot. He never even saw Hill or Stephenson. Because as soon as he got the ball he went into "I NEED TO SCORE NOW" mode. It was a chaotic series of events that lead to the Pacers getting the ball. You don't want chaos on your last possession. Thats why Vogel should have called time out.
    My point is that there was no reason for that sequence to be chaotic. It was a pretty simple, turnover off an inbounds play leading to a 4 on 3. Frank Vogel isn't the head coach of a bunch of delicate 7th graders - he coaches a group of professionals who fancy themselves championship contenders.

    Let's assume we had no TOs remaining. Championship players do not panic and play hero ball.

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    • #62
      Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
      Do you know what stretch is more useful than everything else, my friend? The playoff one. That's when the one stretch that matters above everything else.
      You seem to be assuming he will be playing better by then?

      If not we are in big trouble. Our weak back up bigs is the #1 weakness that Miami exploited.

      If Bird wasn't concerned with how poor Scola and Mahinmi have looked we never would have signed Bynum. Bird is concerned so maybe we should be too. In Bird I trust.

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      • #63
        Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        This is the type of game a more experienced team would have locked up. I just hope we don't have to play 4 games in Miami. That is all.
        Way not to capitalize on yesterday's gift from Utah. Losing against Orlando makes it even worse.
        Never forget

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        • #64
          Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

          Originally posted by Johanvil View Post
          Way not to capitalize on yesterday's gift from Utah. Losing against Orlando makes it even worse.
          Yep. The Heat were actually off in that game and tried to come back but didn't make it. It was not the same type of game. We just let this game get away from us. If this team wants to come out of the east, it really needs to be more careful than the Heat.

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          • #65
            Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

            Originally posted by Johanvil View Post
            Way not to capitalize on yesterday's gift from Utah. Losing against Orlando makes it even worse.
            Now we know how the Heat fans must have felt. Earlier in the year everytime we lost, they lost.

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            • #66
              Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

              I feel that a lot of us are pissed off about the game at this point and that's why emotions are running high. It's best to avoid infighting at times like these. People say stuff that they don't mean when they're angry.

              So, let's just sit back and relax. We have a game tomorrow as well and I need some sleep in order to catch it
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • #67
                Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                Was gonna post about the game...till I read the contents of this thread.

                All I'll say is We just lost our 11th game of the season..there are improvements to be made...but let's not go cray cray.

                Ps. Somebody get Mr.Mario a mushroom

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                • #68
                  Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                  Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                  Was gonna post about the game...till I read the contents of this thread.

                  All I'll say is We just lost our 11th game of the season..there are improvements to be made...but let's not go cray cray.

                  Ps. Somebody get Mr.Mario a mushroom
                  You can insult and ridicule me all you want. But Scola and Mahinmi are playing like ***. Bird and Walsh agree with me or else they wouldn't have given Bynum a million dollars.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                    This is the type of game a more experienced team would have locked up. I just hope we don't have to play 4 games in Miami. That is all.
                    I don't know if thats fair to say, because this team has won its fair share of games like this.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                      Flop of the year.
                      It's not Easter yet.
                      Mafia own the Magic.
                      What was the points in Vegas.
                      Paul sure can shoot a wad in Miami.
                      Adam Silver is the true Pacer Hater all these years.
                      Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                      • #71
                        Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                        Originally posted by Eddie Gill View Post
                        My point is that there was no reason for that sequence to be chaotic. It was a pretty simple, turnover off an inbounds play leading to a 4 on 3. Frank Vogel isn't the head coach of a bunch of delicate 7th graders - he coaches a group of professionals who fancy themselves championship contenders.

                        Let's assume we had no TOs remaining. Championship players do not panic and play hero ball.
                        Yes, of course PG could have played it better. But we did have a TO. And it was a mistake not to use it. A turnover is always a chaotic event. A one point game is a pressure situation. A ball was literally just passed between the legs of David West on an in bounds pass. This has little to do with who was playing. I want a TO called if LBJ has the ball there even.

                        While PG needs to be better than to go hero ball (but its understandable that he did since he just carried us back into the game), it could have been prevented tonight had Frank called time out.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                          I feel that a lot of us are pissed off about the game at this point and that's why emotions are running high. It's best to avoid infighting at times like these. People say stuff that they don't mean when they're angry.

                          So, let's just sit back and relax. We have a game tomorrow as well and I need some sleep in order to catch it

                          Turnovers are going to cost this team HCA. We need to cherish the basketball and take care of it like its the Larry O'Brien trophy.

                          I only know of two times Bird publicly reprimanded this team. Once in the playoffs when we were "s o f t" and the other regarding turnovers. Hope this team learns quick before we end up in south beach for game 7.

                          Were giving the Heat every reason to begin playing with effort.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                            Excellent game by PG...until the last 90 seconds or so when hero ball won out over simply getting the best open look available. And that PG conclusion is representative of our TEAM for most of he second half. They got back in cause we got lazy and stopped playing team ball.
                            I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                            -Emiliano Zapata

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                            • #74
                              Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                              Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                              Turnovers are going to cost this team HCA. We need to cherish the basketball and take care of it like its the Larry O'Brien trophy.

                              I only know of two times Bird publicly reprimanded this team. Once in the playoffs when we were "s o f t" and the other regarding turnovers. Hope this team learns quick before we end up in south beach for game 7.

                              Were giving the Heat every reason to begin playing with effort.

                              We are never going to be a great team with Turnovers. But that doesn't mean we can't cut them down. Mostly on the stupid oop attempts and just the general lets play superstar attitude that runs through the team sometime.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                                This was one of those losses where you are so mad you just sit and clench your jaw, giving the stare of Medusa at the television.

                                Myself and several other posters made the comment when they cut our lead from 17 to the 13-11 range "Don't take these guys lightly. They don't give up!"

                                Sure enough. We make enough dumb, cute passes that lead to turnovers, and their young guns get a bit of momentum and BOOM! 17 point lead turns to 7 point deficit.

                                Disgusting effort and composure during that 3rd/4th quarter stretch. Then yes, PG hit a couple big shots to get us back into the game despite trailing by 5 with under a minute to go.

                                And you can all say what you want about the whole "We didn't deserve to win this game" ******** (my stance on this mindset is well documented), but tonight both the Pacers and the officials pulled the proverbial trigger together on the pistol to our foreheads. Coach Vogel allowing the momentum to CRUSH us for an extended time before calling timeout!? Davis somehow forcing a jump ball on West?! West NOT getting the jumpball on that "timeout" by Afflalo/Vaughn?!?! And who can forget Paul George getting no call on a triple-teamed hack at the buzzer when he also had several WIDE open teammates?!

                                Simply awful decision making. Simply shameful officiating late in the game. Simply inexcusable loss.

                                But, at least we had a few cute turnovers that would have been REALLY nice highlights!

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