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  • #91
    Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

    Not to make excuses because there are none. But there are always a game or two you lose after you lead by 15 plus points midway through the third.

    Really hope we win the next two leading to AS break


    i always like to go back at the point the pacers have their biggest lead and see what happens". That us when you either have to build on the lead, or sustain for as long as you can
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-10-2014, 09:19 AM.

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    • #92
      Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

      Officiating is a lame excuse as to why we didn't win. The bottom line is we had TWO opportunities in the final minute of the game to either take the lead or tie the game and we did not execute well in either situation. Better now to learn from our lack of execution than in a playoff game where the loss counts MUCH more. We will learn from out mistakes, move on, and be ready to avenge an earlier season loss when Denver comes to our place tomorrow.

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      • #93
        Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

        QUOTE=Dr. Hibbert;1785733]So basically, unless Scola is hitting his mid-range shot or unless Granger is hitting threes, both players are essentially worthless? Oh boy!

        Though I agree with Brunner that the Pacers aren't using Scola correctly at all. Need to flip what they're doing between Scola & Mahinmi.

        Granger...I know he can still have the occasional great shooting night. But for the most part, I've seen in almost half a season nothing that leads me to believe he's an impact player for this team.[/QUOTE]

        yeh, maybe they aren't using scola most effectively. but as far as danny goes....
        well, it is 2 dozen games in now. and so far, it doesn't look good for him at all in my opinion. perhaps he can turn a corner (I'm seriously starting to doubt that though) because besides the fact that every season his fg% just keeps going incrementally down (i don't count last year and his 5 game sample) this year it is gotten much worse.
        tonight he was 2-8
        he is shooting 35.6% (not counting tonight's game) from 2 and 31.6% from 3. those numbers are simply bad. it bums me to say this because he has been a valuable player for the team over the years but, he has not been much of a help since his return. i don't have confidence in his shooting anymore. at this point, if i were another team, i wouldn't offer him even half of what he is making today.

        thinking about lance now....
        there are times when his bold, attacking nature can be a vital boost to the team. but, it can also backfire like it did tonight. bad lance likes to show up when the pacers have built a solid (but obviously not insurmountable) lead. this often occurs when the pacers get up by 14 or more points. at that point he seems to figure that we can afford to risk some buckets for the sake of the fancy sportscenter pass. and he will keep trying it again and again. i wish he could cool it with all the hotdogging. that's the 2nd game in a short span where he dished out 5 turnovers with only 3 assists. i didn't see much of the game but i did see back to back turnovers by him with those stupid passes. frank had better address this SOON.

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        • #94
          Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

          Originally posted by clownskull View Post
          QUOTE=Dr. Hibbert;1785733] of what he is making today.

          thinking about lance now....
          there are times when his bold, attacking nature can be a vital boost to the team. but, it can also backfire like it did tonight. bad lance likes to show up when the pacers have built a solid (but obviously not insurmountable) lead. this often occurs when the pacers get up by 14 or more points. at that point he seems to figure that we can afford to risk some buckets for the sake of the fancy sportscenter pass. and he will keep trying it again and again. i wish he could cool it with all the hotdogging. that's the 2nd game in a short span where he dished out 5 turnovers with only 3 assists. i didn't see much of the game but i did see back to back turnovers by him with those stupid passes. frank had better address this SOON.
          I have to put that on Vogel almost as much as Lance. There is no reason for Lance to play 39 minutes in this game with the depth we have. As soon as he made his first careless turnover Vogel should have sit him down and talked to him. The way Vogel is letting Lance run wild at times scares me. Here we have a young man needing some discipline in his game and direction from his coach and it doesn't look like that's the plan with Vogel.
          Frank needs to reduce Lance's minutes and get him to play with more control. If it cost us some of the energy Lance brings then all I can say is Lance needs to grow up.
          Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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          • #95
            Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

            Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
            I have to put that on Vogel almost as much as Lance. There is no reason for Lance to play 39 minutes in this game with the depth we have. As soon as he made his first careless turnover Vogel should have sit him down and talked to him. The way Vogel is letting Lance run wild at times scares me. Here we have a young man needing some discipline in his game and direction from his coach and it doesn't look like that's the plan with Vogel.
            Frank needs to reduce Lance's minutes and get him to play with more control. If it cost us some of the energy Lance brings then all I can say is Lance needs to grow up.
            yeah, i think frank has gotten to relaxed with lance. at one time i sometimes wondered if he had him on too tight a leash but now i think it has gone the other way. it is time for frank to get him under control again.

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            • #96
              Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

              Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
              Anyone else getting annoyed that our bench has been so bad yet one of the most productive Pacers per minute played this season can't get off the bench?

              I mean Rasual has proven to be a great role player yet we are remaining loyal to a unproductive players and it is getting annoying.


              I would have made a substantial bet after Butler scored 10 pts in a come from behind game that Vogel wouldn't play him the next game, and he didn't. Granger played 21 min shot 2-8 for 5 pts and 1 reb.

              I don't know about what others think, but Granger's play so far hasn't impressed me whatsoever. I didn't expect Allstar play, but I did/do expect more than what he's given. I see no reason not to play Butler. JMOAA

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              • #97
                Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                Originally posted by clownskull View Post
                QUOTE=Dr. Hibbert;1785733]So basically, unless Scola is hitting his mid-range shot or unless Granger is hitting threes, both players are essentially worthless? Oh boy!

                Though I agree with Brunner that the Pacers aren't using Scola correctly at all. Need to flip what they're doing between Scola & Mahinmi.

                Granger...I know he can still have the occasional great shooting night. But for the most part, I've seen in almost half a season nothing that leads me to believe he's an impact player for this team.
                yeh, maybe they aren't using scola most effectively. but as far as danny goes....
                well, it is 2 dozen games in now. and so far, it doesn't look good for him at all in my opinion. perhaps he can turn a corner (I'm seriously starting to doubt that though) because besides the fact that every season his fg% just keeps going incrementally down (i don't count last year and his 5 game sample) this year it is gotten much worse.
                tonight he was 2-8
                he is shooting 35.6% (not counting tonight's game) from 2 and 31.6% from 3. those numbers are simply bad. it bums me to say this because he has been a valuable player for the team over the years but, he has not been much of a help since his return. i don't have confidence in his shooting anymore. at this point, if i were another team, i wouldn't offer him even half of what he is making today.

                thinking about lance now....
                there are times when his bold, attacking nature can be a vital boost to the team. but, it can also backfire like it did tonight. bad lance likes to show up when the pacers have built a solid (but obviously not insurmountable) lead. this often occurs when the pacers get up by 14 or more points. at that point he seems to figure that we can afford to risk some buckets for the sake of the fancy sportscenter pass. and he will keep trying it again and again. i wish he could cool it with all the hotdogging. that's the 2nd game in a short span where he dished out 5 turnovers with only 3 assists. i didn't see much of the game but i did see back to back turnovers by him with those stupid passes. frank had better address this SOON.[/QUOTE]


                I agree with you about Granger. For a year and a half, all you heard was wait until Granger gets back. Well, he's back, and I'm still waiting.

                Green was crufixed for his poor shooting and yet nothing is said about Granger's shooting. Anyone truly think Granger could be having the season in Phoenix that Green is?

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                • #98
                  Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                  So…..this was a Team loss right?
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                    Just some observations about the game.

                    Hibbert only took "4" FG!! Hitting 3 of them.

                    Pacers got out reb'd by 7.

                    Pacers were 11-19 from the FT line.

                    Sloppy lackadaisical play killed the Pacers in the 4th qtr. It cost the Pacers the game more than anything else.

                    PG hasn't got it figured out it's a TEAM game, and he's NOT the team.

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                    • Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
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                      So…..this was a Team loss right?

                      Plenty of blame to be shared, including Vogel.

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                      • Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                        Originally posted by clownskull View Post
                        yeah, i think frank has gotten to relaxed with lance. at one time i sometimes wondered if he had him on too tight a leash but now i think it has gone the other way. it is time for frank to get him under control again.
                        Lance is fine. The leash needs to be tightened on PG. Vogel needs to shut the green light off
                        Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                        • Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                          Another big reason we lost this game was the fact we missed way too many open jumpshots. Danny had 3 rim out, Hill missed wide open twice, CJ missed about 3 wide open shots. When we (Lance) weren't turning it over stupidly, we were missing a lot of good open looks. A few of those drop, and we are in a much better position to win the game

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                          • Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                            Plenty of blame to be shared, including Vogel.
                            That's what I'm thinking. The Magic practically dared the Pacers to win this game and they couldn't pull it out.
                            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                            • Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                              Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                              Lance is fine. The leash needs to be tightened on PG. Vogel needs to shut the green light off
                              5 turnovers isn't fine.

                              Tonight was a perfect illustration of good and bad Lance. In the first half. Out of his points came off of broken plays and wide open shots. In the second half he tried to handle the ball too much, and recklessly turned it over on a few occasions.

                              That final half court possession, he tried to drive on Afflalo and when he couldn't bulldoze his was to the basket he nearly turned it over again, but Paul tipped the ball and got a clean look--but missed the shot.

                              Both guys have been on this over dribbling, turnover, kick for a while now. It's kind of annoying to watch when other players in our starting 5 (West and hill) are normally so efficient.

                              We need to make the half court offense a tad more simple again. Stop with the over dribbling, then pass at the last second when you realize there's no way to get off a good shot.

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                              • Re: Pacers Magic Post Game Thread

                                Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                                Just some observations about the game.

                                Hibbert only took "4" FG!! Hitting 3 of them.

                                Pacers got out reb'd by 7.

                                Pacers were 11-19 from the FT line.

                                Sloppy lackadaisical play killed the Pacers in the 4th qtr. It cost the Pacers the game more than anything else.

                                PG hasn't got it figured out it's a TEAM game, and he's NOT the team.
                                LOL at a particular play……Vucevic was sitting….the Magic was going on a run….Vogel calls a time out to put Hibbert in ( who is guarded by someone that he has a considerable height advantage over….maybe Nicholson? )…..Buckner calls out that Vogel wanted to put some scoring in.….and the first thing the lineup does is pass the ball around the perimeter until PG24 gets the ball and jacks up a 3 pt shot.

                                I really have no idea why we don't use Hibbert more on the offensive end. I get that he doesn't have to make 12 FGA a game….but anything getting close to 10 FGA a game would be nice.
                                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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