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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

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  • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
    Yeah, I obviously agree with that. Some of those shots had no chance of going in. I clearly remember that post-up in which he pivoted and pivoted and pivoted again and ended up with 3 defenders on him and hoisted up something that never had a chance of going in. He should just make a quicker decision but he didn't and he got trapped.

    There was a number of times he tried doing it himself instead of passing the ball. He then makes a dumb play or fouls out of frustration trying to do a make up.

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    • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

      Originally posted by owl View Post
      5=Being taller than the player you are guarding is large when defending. The Pacers had the advantage their except for Hill and he paid for it. The defense dramatically picked up when PG was switched to Lillard.
      I agree with your post but I have a very small disagreement here. According to DX, the difference between Hill and Lillard is very small. Lillard is 6'2.75" in shoes with a 6'7.75" wingspan while Hill is 6'2.5" in shoes with a 6'9 wingspan. I don't think that 0.25 inches make a difference when the other party has a 1.25 inch advantage in wingspan.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

        8 pages, and not a word about the fantastic defense DG played, amazing, I am glad I have no fans, means I get dissapointed a lot less.
        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

        If you've done 6 impossible things today?
        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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        • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

          Originally posted by able View Post
          8 pages, and not a word about the fantastic defense DG played, amazing, I am glad I have no fans, means I get dissapointed a lot less.
          TIL, able has me on ignore

          http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...=1#post1784587

          Danny had some big boards and some really nice close outs late in the game. Matthews was hitting everything, and got some good looks, but Danny got his hand there just in time to bother the shot and he missed a couple of buckets because of it.

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          • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

            Originally posted by WInslow22 View Post
            I've said it a million times now: "Paul has tired legs!" A lot of his missed shots as of late are from open looks. When the Pace had a short break in January, he came back w/ a vengeance...And I expect the same after the All-Star Break....Then he'll get tired a couple more times before the Playoffs. He plays extended minutes every game and busts major *** on both sides of the floor at that. His shooting will suffer from time to time as a result of this.....


            Frank has Butler to use to give PG more rest, and he needs to give Butler more PT and PG more rest.

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            • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

              Originally posted by able View Post
              8 pages, and not a word about the fantastic defense DG played, amazing, I am glad I have no fans, means I get dissapointed a lot less.
              Our wing defense was excellent last night and Danny played a part on that as well.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

                Originally posted by owl View Post
                Some things I noticed at the game last night...

                1=The crowd was really into the game last night and the defense chant was extremely loud and I know it affected
                Portland in the latter part of the game. The fieldhouse is such a great venue. Even after 15 years it is still beautiful.

                2=Rasual Butler is a great player to have on your bench. He does not hurt you and last night really contributed with
                clutch shooting

                3=With Lance out and Roy and PG mostly zeroes(it happens) the Pacers still won. That would not have happened last year

                4=Bynum was talking to Ian after some plays and was involved. He is big, definitely bigger that Ian

                5=Being taller than the player you are guarding is large when defending. The Pacers had the advantage their except for Hill and he paid for it. The defense dramatically picked up when PG was switched to Lillard.

                6=Robin Lopez is a superstar...at least against the Pacers. Actually he is a very good center. He has really worked on his offensive game since coming into the league and he defends well.

                7=The refs were bad, both ways..ugghhh.

                I really wanted the Pacers to get Robin Lopez as THE b/u center, but he went to Portland as a starter. I can't wait to see Bynum play.

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                • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

                  Even when Paul is terrible offensively last night he made an impact. Switching him on to Lillard was key. Lillard didn't do much except when Paul almost stole the ball on an inbound and it bounced to him. And then the garbage time 3 with them down 5. Let's be excited that we are so good and stacked that we can beat an elite team when our 2 all stars are having their worst scoring games of the year and our top playmaker is in streetclothes. We have an amazing TEAM. I want to see Hill play more like a shooting guard on a regular basis. He is such an underrated scorer. I hope tonight cemented that mindset in Hill. He is capable of abusing smaller point guards in the block. I want to see that utilized vs. Chalmers and Colw when the time comes. Also if Hill can increase his role as needed it may soften the blow if god forbid we cannot retain Lance. He's a baller, in a dif situation noone would complain about his 8 mil.
                  Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                  • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

                    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                    Still better than watching FSI for the billionth time, IMHO. ESPN's better HD makes it worth watching.
                    Always wondered if I was the only one that noticed how bad "HD" is on Fox sports.... It's better than standard but still terrible for "HD"

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                    • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

                      Originally posted by cdash View Post
                      Who's minutes is he taking then? Granger's?

                      He can take minutes from a number of wings. No says he has to play big minutes, but more than the 20 some games Frank has played him.

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                      • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

                        Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                        He's not playing well on the offensive end but he is still playing really good defense. He had 8 rebounds and 7 assists so it's not like he is totally useless if he isn't hitting his shots. He got and took a lot of good shots within the flow of the offense that just rimmed out. Even Reggie Miller had shooting slumps. And let's not forget that he had Nicolas Batum, one of the leagues premeire defenders, guarding him. That steal and dunk was huge in overtime as well as the three he hit in the 4th quarter.

                        Yes, and go back the last 10-12 games. He didn't have premier defenders guarding him every one of those games.

                        He's pushing himself to be "THE MAN" when he has fellow players to whom he can defer and who he should trust to make plays. It's not his job to do it all every game, and he needs to understand that.

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                        • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

                          Originally posted by cdash View Post
                          Who's minutes is he taking then? Granger's?
                          A little bit from the other 3 wings for rest reasons. Butler playing 8 minutes a game could keep Granger and George from getting weak legs during tough stretches.

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                          • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

                            Last night's crowd was electric. The 4th quarter and overtime were loud as hell. We've got great fans coming to the game now.

                            Except for the one old man who left the game after Granger stepped out with 40 seconds left, b*tching about how Granger lost the game. That was funny.

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                            • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

                              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                              That sounds awesome. What's the app?
                              The app is called SecondMic . Keep in mind, this was his first time doing it (I believe), and there's no set schedule at this time. But it was cool.

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                              • Re: Pacers / Blazers Post Game Thread - 2/7

                                So, LeBron... about that great offense beats great defense any day comment you made...
                                "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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