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  • Re: So what was Andrew's Bynum's conduct detrimental to the team??

    Not trying to stick up for Bynum cause I have no idea. But, with the latest about Deng talking how bad it is in Cleveland, maybe Bynum wasn't to far off base and just didn't handle the situation well. Reasoning to bring Deng in cause coming from Chicago and being a vet.
    Last edited by Pacer Fan; 02-04-2014, 10:05 AM.
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        Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
        Not sure what you mean offense,,,,,, offense. Do you mean offense much less defense or the other way around.
        Yes, that is what I meant....offense/defense.

        Originally posted by Gamble1
        My take is that offensively he can't be worse than Ian. Defensively maybe but a signing like this I doubt they sit him and I doubt Bynum would willingly sign for a 3 rd string backup spot with no minutes. These moves also prove you are right or wrong as a front office as well so Bird is also invested here.

        Bird also doesnt strike me as a guy who would bring in a veteran player if he didn't expect him to win a roster spot in the rotation this late into the season.
        You mean like when Bird brought in Fez two seasons back?

        I agree with everyone that Bynum just has too much talent to be sitting on the bench. But given many factors ( lack of any real and consistent playing time over the last 2+ seasons, questions about how he'd fit on defense and the impact of switching out Mahinimi....whose been doing a solid job as a Backup Center, affect to team Chemistry, how'd he fit into the offense, etc. ), it is difficult for me ( objectively ) to declare this a homerun ( as in, he's such a great fit on the offensive/defensive end that he's a CLEAR upgrade over Mahinmi and will be a HUGE difference Maker ) or just a single ( as in, we finally have a 3rd Backup Center so that we don't have to see West/Scola on the floor at the same time ). I'm not saying that Bynum will have a bad impact on the Team....I'm just saying that I really can't pass any judgement on what impact ( good or bad ) that Bynum would have on the Team until Vogel settles down on a consistent rotation.

        Also...before any of you call me a "Bynum Hater cuz I am Pro-Mahinmi"....believe me....I WANT THIS TO BE A HOMERUN....I recognize that Mahinmi has A LOT of offensive deficiencies, I just recognize that Mahinmi has been a VERY POSITIVE impact on the defensive end and changing this lineup will affect the Team IN SOME FASHION. I just no idea what that impact will be. I just have to approach this rationally and reasonably until I can see what Bynum has to offer and how Vogel uses him. Until then....he's no better than the 3rd Backup Center on this Team that can actually block a shot what will comfort me with the notion that I don't have to see West/Scola pretend to defend the paint .
        Last edited by CableKC; 02-04-2014, 06:34 PM.
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          Originally posted by Strummer View Post

          Uhh....there was no empty locker next to West's locker?
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          • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

            Haven't had time to sift through everything... have they said when he expects to actually be with the team yet?
            "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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              I'm not one bit concerned. The Pacers have dealt with SJax, David Harrison, Rawle Marshall, Jamaal Tinsley, Shawne Williams, etc. But some of those guys had the Pacers over a barrel. Here they've committed nothing to Bynum. If he's a major headcase, we keep him around for a month and cut him to the curb. If he's that bad, he will way 450lbs in 6 months and his career will be over.

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              • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                Yes, that is what I meant....offense/defense.


                You mean like when Bird brought in Fez two seasons back?

                I agree with everyone that Bynum just has too much talent to be sitting on the bench. But given many factors ( lack of any real and consistent playing time over the last 2+ seasons, questions about how he'd fit on defense and the impact of switching out Mahinimi....whose been doing a solid job as a Backup Center, affect to team Chemistry, how'd he fit into the offense, etc. ), it is difficult for me ( objectively ) to declare this a homerun or just a single. I'm not saying that Bynum will have a bad impact on the Team....I'm just saying that I really can't pass any judgement on what impact ( good or bad ) that Bynum would have on the Team until Vogel settles down on a consistent rotation.
                You know as well as I do why Fez was brought in. Foster rings the retirement bell and we sign a FA center to help out with the lack of depth which is a lot different than signing Bynum this year.

                Basically if you have to reach for examples then you are probably denying the reality of the situation. Bird brought him in becuase he thought he could contribute and replace Ian in the rotation. If he didn't then why sign him and for the so called chemistry Ian brings what does he actually do? You can't run the pnp with him and he basically is a guy you can cheat off of since he can't score which hinders the offense. Personally I think a guy who gets double teamed in the post is a better asset than a cutter to the basket with bad hands and who can't set screens without bailing on them before contact.

                Ian's chemistry on defense isn't bad but its nothing to right home about. People still attack the rim a lot and he still fouls them a lot.

                Offensively though it just boils down to another wrinkle you can add. Scola can't post up anymore so essentially the second unit becomes a limited offensive unit with no post presence.This is bad against teams like Miami who go small but its even worse against big teams like the Pistons who can play a steady Center rotation of Monroe and Drummond which exposes Ian's poor post up defense.

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                  Candace Buckner tweeted that Vogel expects Bynum to join the team Thursday or Friday, that he'll be on the bench in street clothes Friday night.

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                    Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                    Ian's chemistry on defense isn't bad but its nothing to right home about. People still attack the rim a lot and he still fouls them a lot.

                    Offensively though it just boils down to another wrinkle you can add. Scola can't post up anymore so essentially the second unit becomes a limited offensive unit with no post presence.This is bad against teams like Miami who go small but its even worse against big teams like the Pistons who can play a steady Center rotation of Monroe and Drummond which exposes Ian's poor post up defense.
                    He gets called for fouls, it is questionable if a lot of them are fouls cause if his name was Hibbert, Howard, Chandler, Gasol, or something it is highly unlikely they would get called.

                    We have a post presence in Granger. A lot of good things have come from it because teams almost always double or triple team him in the post.

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                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      Candace Buckner tweeted that Vogel expects Bynum to join the team Thursday or Friday, that he'll be on the bench in street clothes Friday night.
                      Any idea when he will be able to get playing time? Right after All Star break maybe?

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                            Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                            He gets called for fouls, it is questionable if a lot of them are fouls cause if his name was Hibbert, Howard, Chandler, Gasol, or something it is highly unlikely they would get called.

                            We have a post presence in Granger. A lot of good things have come from it because teams almost always double or triple team him in the post.




                            I don't want Ian to be shooting turn around jumpers but he sucks. He can't even catch the ball, go up, and power dunk it. The amount of passes near the basket, or under he gets per night at his size? He costs us about 6 points a game with his turnovers which should be dunks.

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                            • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

                              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                              You know as well as I do why Fez was brought in. Foster rings the retirement bell and we sign a FA center to help out with the lack of depth which is a lot different than signing Bynum this year.
                              How is that any different?

                              I don't deny that Bird likely looked at the entire FA field and decided that Bynum's talent's could be utilized on this Team and that it may have been one of the main reasons why he went after Bynum......even if it meant kicking Mahinmi to the bench. But just like 2 seasons ago, when the Pacers needed a 3rd Center in the rotation ( Fez ) when Foster retired....the Pacers needed a 3rd Center cuz Bird realized ( finally ) that it's not very difficult to get both Hibbert and Mahinmi in foul trouble.

                              BTW.....we are arguing over minutia.....we are both right in this instance.

                              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                              Basically if you have to reach for examples then you are probably denying the reality of the situation. Bird brought him in becuase he thought he could contribute and replace Ian in the rotation. If he didn't then why sign him and for the so called chemistry Ian brings what does he actually do? You can't run the pnp with him and he basically is a guy you can cheat off of since he can't score which hinders the offense. Personally I think a guy who gets double teamed in the post is a better asset than a cutter to the basket with bad hands and who can't set screens without bailing on them before contact.
                              The reality the situation ( for me ) in bringing in Bynum is as much to bring in a MUCH NEEDED 3rd Backup Center as it is to find the best Backup Center that we could find that ( hopefully ) can bring some additional Low-Post offense to the lineup. I have always questioned why Bird never brought in a 3rd Center....for the very reasons that I have pointed out ( I hate having both Scola/West on the floor cuz we have NO ONE to back up Mahinmi ).

                              Could he turn out to be WAY BETTER than Mahinmi? Yeah...Totally....I really hope so cuz there's a lot of room for improvement when it comes to Mahinmi's offense.....but I also recognize that Mahinmi does do a solid impression of Hibbert on the defensive end ( which is something that I consider critical to the success of this Team ).

                              But until I have an idea about how Vogel will use him ( which should be cleared up in about 3 weeks )....I will only look at Bynum as the 3rd Backup Center in the lineup.

                              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                              Ian's chemistry on defense isn't bad but its nothing to right home about. People still attack the rim a lot and he still fouls them a lot.
                              The defense is designed to push the Perimeter Players to the middle where a Shotblocking Center is there waiting for him. As a result, yeah.....Mahinmi does get into foul trouble. But not everyone can master the "art of verticality" or get the benefit of the doubt that Hibbert has earned. I would expect that the same thing will happen with ANY Center that we put into the rotation....whether it is Mahinmi or Bynum.

                              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                              Offensively though it just boils down to another wrinkle you can add. Scola can't post up anymore so essentially the second unit becomes a limited offensive unit with no post presence.This is bad against teams like Miami who go small but its even worse against big teams like the Pistons who can play a steady Center rotation of Monroe and Drummond which exposes Ian's poor post up defense.
                              Look, I'm not denying that ANY OF WHAT YOU ( or anyone ) suggest above could happen ( especially what Bynum could bring to the offensive end compared to Mahinmi ). My whole point is that I am not going to AUTOMATICALLY declare that Bynum is going to come in and do all the stuff that many of you think he will do ( for the various reasons that I have mentioned before ) until I see him play, how Vogel uses him and how he fits within the rotation.
                              Last edited by CableKC; 02-04-2014, 08:37 PM.
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                              • Re: 02/01/14 Update: Andrew Bynum is a Pacer

                                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                                How is that any different?

                                I don't deny that Bird likely looked at the entire FA field and decided that Bynum's talent's could be utilized on this Team and that it may have been one of the main reasons why he went after Bynum......even if it meant kicking Mahinmi to the bench. But just like 2 seasons ago, when the Pacers needed a 3rd Center in the rotation ( Fez ) when Foster retired....the Pacers needed a 3rd Center cuz Bird realized ( finally ) that it's not very difficult to get both Hibbert and Mahinmi in foul trouble.

                                BTW.....we are arguing over minutia.....we are both right in this instance.


                                The reality the situation ( for me ) in bringing in Bynum is as much to bring in a MUCH NEEDED 3rd Backup Center as it is to find the best Backup Center that we could find that ( hopefully ) can bring some additional Low-Post offense to the lineup. I have always questioned why Bird never brought in a 3rd Center....for the very reasons that I have pointed out ( I hate having both Scola/West on the floor cuz we have NO ONE to back up Mahinmi ).

                                Could he turn out to be WAY BETTER than Mahinmi? Yeah...Totally....I really hope so cuz there's a lot of room for improvement when it comes to Mahinmi's offense.....but I also recognize that Mahinmi does do a solid impression of Hibbert on the defensive end ( which is something that I consider critical to the success of this Team ).

                                But until I have an idea about how Vogel will use him ( which should be cleared up in about 3 weeks )....I will only look at Bynum as the 3rd Backup Center in the lineup.



                                The defense is designed to push the Perimeter Players to the middle where a Shotblocking Center is there waiting for him. As a result, yeah.....Mahinmi does get into foul trouble. But not everyone can master the "art of verticality" or get the benefit of the doubt that Hibbert has earned. I would expect that the same thing will happen with ANY Center that we put into the rotation....whether it is Mahinmi or Bynum.


                                Look, I'm not denying that ANY OF WHAT YOU ( or anyone ) suggest above could happen ( especially what Bynum could bring to the offensive end compared to Mahinmi ). My whole point is that I am not going to AUTOMATICALLY declare that Bynum is going to come in and do all the stuff that many of you think he will do ( for the various reasons that I have mentioned before ) until I see him play, how Vogel uses him and how he fits within the rotation.


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