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    So as a scorer not a facilitator he should be passing for immediate shots no fewer than 10-11 times per game?
    PG touches the ball almost every single possession. 5 assists is not that many. Truth is PG would rather score than pass to a wide open Scola. Thus PG's new nickname "Paulhog"
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    PG touches the ball almost every single possession. 5 assists is not that many. Truth is PG would rather score than pass to a wide open Scola. Thus PG's new nickname "Paulhog"
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    He wants to be 'the man'. he's going to be 'the man'. He's not 'the man' yet. But don't tell him, he really thinks he is.

    I think he got a little full of himself after the start of the season he had. Too often now, he's ready to go 1-on-1, try to make the SportsCenter play, playing a bit lazy on defense ....... he should look at some video if the 1st 15-20 games of the season. Maybe it would remind him how to play.
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    Part of it is that he thinks he is better than he is. He is a great player, but not really all that close to LeBron and Durant.
    These posts are absolutely ridiculous.

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    PG touches the ball almost every single possession. 5 assists is not that many. Truth is PG would rather score than pass to a wide open Scola. Thus PG's new nickname "Paulhog"
    Is this going to become a thing? I hope not.
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    He's overconfident in his abilities on offense and, as a result, he's nonchalant at times and makes a few ill advised shots. He's also a bit inconsistent. But it's a fine line. You need that confidence to be truly great.

    He probably could stand to eliminate the no-look passes that become one of his many turnovers. With that said, he's a great player and probably the best Pacer of all time. I really think we need to look in the mirror and see how easy it is to criticize.
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    These posts are absolutely ridiculous.
    Great argument.
    You think he is in the same conversation as LeBron and Durant?
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    PG touches the ball almost every single possession. 5 assists is not that many. Truth is PG would rather score than pass to a wide open Scola. Thus PG's new nickname "Paulhog"
    I have to call BS here.

    Only 25 players in the entire league (out of ~475) average 5 or more assists. 18 of those are point guards.

    That leaves 7 players in the entire league who are not point guards averaging 5+ assists per game.

    That list is:

    SF Lebron James 6.5
    SG Goran Dragic 6.1
    SG Monta Ellis 5.9
    SF Nicolas Batum 5.5
    SG Lance Stephenson 5.3
    SF Kevin Durant 5.3
    SG Joran Crawford 5.1

    One of those 7 is already on our team, and only 3 small forwards (Paul's position) in the entire game are averaging 5 assists a game.

    But sure, if you're the primary scorer on your team and are not a guard, and you don't get 5 assists a game, than you're a ball hog. Got it.

    EDIT: It only took me about a minute to look this up by the way.
    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...ort/avgAssists

    Also, Paul George is 6th in the NBA in assists among small forwards. Could he be better? Of course. But he is not the primary playmaker on the team and he's not the point guard. Your 5-assist argument is bunk.
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    I have to call BS here.

    Only 25 players in the entire league (out of ~475) average 5 or more assists. 18 of those are point guards.

    That leaves 7 players in the entire league who are not point guards averaging 5+ assists per game.

    That list is:

    SF Lebron James 6.5
    SG Goran Dragic 6.1
    SG Monta Ellis 5.9
    SF Nicolas Batum 5.5
    SG Lance Stephenson 5.3
    SF Kevin Durant 5.3
    SG Joran Crawford 5.1

    One of those 7 is already on our team, and only 3 small forwards (Paul's position) in the entire game are averaging 5 assists a game.

    But sure, if you're the primary scorer on your team and are not a guard, and you don't get 5 assists a game, than you're a ball hog. Got it.

    EDIT: It only took me about a minute to look this up by the way.
    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...ort/avgAssists

    Also, Paul George is 6th in the NBA in assists among small forwards. Could he be better? Of course. But he is not the primary playmaker on the team and he's not the point guard. Your 5-assist argument is bunk.
    Instead of comparing by straight position , usage rate combined with minutes is a better indicator. Later tonight, I will do the research, but just something to consider.
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    Paulhog has less assists than Money Ellis? Monta used to be known exclusively for ball-hogging.
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    Honestly I think we should trade PG, maybe we can get true scorer like Melo or something.

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    This is ridiculous.

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    Honestly I think we should trade PG, maybe we can get true scorer like Melo or something.
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    Honestly I think we should trade PG, maybe we can get true scorer like Melo or something.
    Ummmm. Trade a 23 year old who hasn't reached his ceiling who is elite on defense and good to great on offense for Melo who is elite on offense and fair to bad on defense? Not to mention Melo is going to be making 15 million more than PG. We also lose a lot of our defensive identity. Horrible idea.
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    Instead of comparing by straight position , usage rate combined with minutes is a better indicator. Later tonight, I will do the research, but just something to consider.
    Does that necessarily follow? An offense with a point guard getting the highest usage rate is entirely different from one with a center getting it. Whether a player passes off ot not depends on his role in the offense, not how often he touches the ball compared to his teammates.

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    Paulhog has less assists than Money Ellis? Monta used to be known exclusively for ball-hogging.
    Yes PG has less assists than the second-leading assist making shooting guard in the entire league. Boo freaking hoo.

    The nickname isn't going to stick, sorry bro. There's a word for what you're doing here and I think we all know what it is.

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    Ummmm. Trade a 23 year old who hasn't reached his ceiling who is elite on defense and good to great on offense for Melo who is elite on offense and fair to bad on defense? Not to mention Melo is going to be making 15 million more than PG. We also lose a lot of our defensive identity. Horrible idea.
    Melo usually brings it offensively every game and our weakness is going through stretches where we don't score. But that was just one possibility, we could target guys like Eric Gordon, Kawhi Leonard, Batum from Portland, Thaddeus Young from the 6ers, Chandler Parsons or maybe Gordon from the Jazz if we have no other takers.

    I'm sorry folks but PG's game just isn't that good.

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    Instead of comparing by straight position , usage rate combined with minutes is a better indicator. Later tonight, I will do the research, but just something to consider.
    His argument provided no such context... the exact quote I believe is "5 assists isn't that many," and I just demonstrated that only 3 non-guards in the NBA have a 5 assist or better average.

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    PAUL GEORGE FOR ERIC GORDON!!! DO IT LARRY

    Cmon guys, where has this forum gone.
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    To be fair I named about 5 other guys we could trade PG for.

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    Look, I think Paul is an awesome player. Maybe I am being too tough on him, I am glad he is a Pacer and wouldn't trade him for anyone minus Durant. The whole point of the forum is to discuss a team. Every other player gets discussed, and I see no reason why it is ridiculous to discuss PG's struggles. Lets look at his stats over the season to this point.



    Here are some advanced stats.


    It just seems it is just as much mental as physical to me. I'd like to see his usage rate around 25, as opposed to up near 30 in January. The all star break will do him good, but it will be nice if he is able to break out of this slump, which is going on a month now, with the exception of the one 6 game stretch.

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    I see no reason why it is ridiculous to discuss PG's struggles. Lets look at his stats over the season to this point.
    Discussing PG's struggles is fine. Nicknaming him "Paulhog" because he doesn't "accidentally get 5 assists a game" or suggesting that we trade him for freaking Eric Gordon is beyond ridiculous, it's laughable.

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    Melo usually brings it offensively every game and our weakness is going through stretches where we don't score. But that was just one possibility, we could target guys like Eric Gordon, Kawhi Leonard, Batum from Portland, Thaddeus Young from the 6ers, Chandler Parsons or maybe Gordon from the Jazz if we have no other takers.

    I'm sorry folks but PG's game just isn't that good.
    7 posts? Joined in 2009? Perhaps you haven't been watching the games either.
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    Melo usually brings it offensively every game and our weakness is going through stretches where we don't score. But that was just one possibility, we could target guys like Eric Gordon, Kawhi Leonard, Batum from Portland, Thaddeus Young from the 6ers, Chandler Parsons or maybe Gordon from the Jazz if we have no other takers.

    I'm sorry folks but PG's game just isn't that good.
    Oh, you were serious.

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    I watch enough games to know we go through stretches where we cannot score because our all-star can't put the ball in the basket.

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    While Paul will get his act together, Lance Stephenson has been the best player on this team in 2014.
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    ^^ Yeah, NYC is so much better.

    And Philly.

    Maybe it's because some of us understand basketball and just don't appreciate dogging it, lack of effort, lack of focus ........ whatever you want to call it. There's an obvious difference and we notice it.
    We aren't. But you do realize PG is leading us to the best record in the NBA thus far, and has shot poorly for about one week, right?

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