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So will Bynum be on the bench tomorrow vs Orlando?
Monta Ellis will be a star for the Blue & Gold.
three reasons pacers signed Bynum article from cbs
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With the Pacers making it official Saturday morning, we can turn now to the impact, of Indiana signing center Andrew Bynum to a one-year, $1 million contract (per Ken Berger of CBSSports.com).
Here are three lines of thoughts for why this deal makes sense for Indiana:
1. The 'Lotto Ticket' concept: The Cavalierssunk six times the money into Bynum without knowing if he'd ever play again. His experience in Cleveland provides both the confidence to sign him to this deal and a cautionary tale of Bynum. He was limited in the amount of minutes he could play, and when he was bad, he was awful. But when he was good, he was still way too big for any team to handle.
But he still burned his bridges there. He was such a problem that they chose to eat the salary rather than keep him and pay him the full $12 million. So the odds of this working out are not good. He has poor work ethic, a poor attitude, doesn't get along with people, and can't play extended minutes. He admitted to significant pain whenever he played.
This is not unlike playing the lottery once. In this analogy, the Pacers have managed their money well, they don't spend much in the way of extravagances. So their spending $5 dollars on a lottery ticket isn't going to hurt them. It's not a wise investment over time; basic math will tell you that. But it's also not going to hurt anything.
The idea with the Cavaliers was that they had the cap space so it didn't matter what they paid him. I disagreed on that front (though overall I supported the move). I'm always of the mind that even beyond cap indications, you need to get return on investment. Smart teams make the most of the money they spend. A $6 million dollar lottery ticket has the same odds as a $1 million lottery ticket, which is to say, not good. But the hit for Indiana is considerably less.
If they hit, it's a jackpot. If not, it's disappointment, but they have a lot less riding on it than Cleveland.
2. Indestructible locker room: So the big problem with Bynum is that he's a mess in the locker room. He disrespected Mike Brown in LA. He pretty much screwed over the Sixers by getting hurt bowling,for crying out loud. And whatever happened in Cleveland, it was enough for them to suspend and then dump him.
So if you're going to invite that kind of trouble in, why would you feel OK about it?
Because unlike a lot of organizations, the Pacers have a strong enough foundation to withstand any problems he may present. When Larry Legend looks you in the eye and says he's not going to put up with anything, you know it's true. That probably won't set Bynum straight, the guy has a history of just flat-out not caring. It's not as if his time with Kobe Bryant set him on a straight and narrow path. But it does reinforce to others on the roster that they don't have to be bothered by Bynum. They can ignore whatever distraction he may create because of their bond with each other.
That's part of what makes Indiana so good. Not only have they developed great in-house talent (Paul George, Roy Hibbert) but they've built it on character guys. Lance Stephenson is the only player with a significant history of issues off-court, and it's been dead silent on that front with him for two years. You don't have to be a "good guy" to make it in Indiana, you just have to do your job. And with consummate pro David West there, you're not going to have much choice.
They have the components to deal with any Bynum issues. And if he buys in, it's another win for an organization with a lot of them.
3. The Heat Postulate: So did Indiana sign him so that the Miami Heatwouldn't? Was that the plan, to keep a dangerous big man away from Miami to maintain their advantage down low?
Not likely. Miami probably could have found a way to trade for him or made a more compelling pitch if they wanted. And Indiana knows its primary target to counter is Miami, but they're also not going to compromise their own roster just to prevent a guy from signing with the Heat. Plus, Miami already has Greg Oden.
But there are factors to signing Bynum that have to do with the Heat. For starters, there's this: It's six more fouls. The Pacers know they have to foul LeBron James in the playoffs. They know they have to force Miami to the line and discourage the Heat from getting to the rim. Even if Bynum can't make the stellar rotation or block, he can give a hard foul (often too hard). And one of their problems has been foul trouble for Hibbert. With Bynum, they have 18 fouls to give the Heat inside with Hibbert and backup Ian Mahinmi.
Whether Bynum is a legitimate upgrade over Mahinmi is a serious question of debate. But if Mahinmi gives them 10 good minutes instead of 10 good minutes and 5 bad, and Bynum gives them five good minutes, that's still a bonus overall.
Then there are lineup shifts. If Mahinmi is struggling and they don't have Bynum, the Pacers might have to go with a smaller lineup vs. Miami if Hibbert's in foul trouble. But with Bynum, they can maintain their sizeable authority.
Finally, there are the trade implications. If Bynum can play, is not a problem and stays healthy (three big ifs), then the Pacers can look to move Mahinmi at the deadline. They've got the best team in the league, why would they do that? Because this organization remains focused on pursuing whatever it must to topple Miami. If adding another shooter helps them more than having both Bynum and Mahinmi, they'll look at it. Oh, and Mahinmi has two more seasons at a combined $8 million. That's money that can be spent on re-signing Stephenson.
Overall, the move has a lot of positive turns to it. Bynum could be a disaster, as he has been for the last two teams who have paid him. But Indiana can withstand it. If you're gunning for a title, you're going to have to take some chances. Signing Andrew Bynum is just another sign of how serious Indiana is at making a title run this season.
Last edited by PacersPride; 02-02-2014 at 10:37 PM.
I know that what you're saying about the locker room incident is true. But my point is simply that the 2011 team was still pretty immature. They had never even made the playoffs and were still a very young and inexperienced team. A locker room incident for a team like that is pretty common and I'm sure that stuff like that happens far more often than is reported. This was a team that was transitioning from a coach they despised in O'Brien to a young guy in Vogel who they didn't quite fully know yet. Plus a guy like PG was a rookie who virtually had no clout in the locker room by then. This was an 8 seeded team who was only able to win one playoff game. They weren't yet good enough on the basketball court, nor did they have the necessary mental toughness to succeed at a high level. This is why Bird added Hill and West in the 2011 off-season.
As far as this team is concerned, that locker room incident is about as ancient as the Magna Carta. So much has happened since then. We added West and Hill, won multiple playoff series, were a game away from the 2013 Finals, and have won an obscene amount of games. This team is about a billion times more mature than that 2011 team and it's honestly an apples to oranges comparison at this point. I think it would be virtually impossible for Bynum to cause any sort of locker room divide that caused a noticeable problem which hurt us on the basketball court. The only thing that he can screw up is the opportunity to resurrect his career and help us out. He can't do anything more than that, IMHO. If he causes a substantial problem then I will be the first to say that I was wrong big time.
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Sorry I've been busy, but any news on when he'll suit up?
They are going to bring him along very slowly. He hasn't played in over a month now, so they're going to want to make sure that they don't rush him physically. Plus they want to give him plenty of time to learn the system and what is expected of him. This move was made with the playoffs in mid.
Wait if he was trying to sign with a team why would he be out of shape? He should be staying in game shape. Reduces what little hope i had that hes serious about this.
This is the biggest problem I have with the mentality. But....This is Bynum backing up Roy going against Heats frontcourt. Not Bynum going against Roy and getting under Roy's skin.
I really want to see these two go at each other in practice.
I feel Seth is overreacting. But I feel like it is coming from too many are dismissing that this could be bad. The risk is not worth it. This isn't a Chris Anderson pickup. Bynum comes with more baggage with teams.
There are two sides to this coin. If he can help...then there is a likliehood that it might not. I think that West and the experience together is worth more than what Seth is dismissing. I mean come on: If tanking out to get a 13 pick is so much worse than getting the 8th seed because of the experience young players get....then maybe two hard fought series with the Heat means something when a risk is thrown their way.
These are my first comments on this move. This doesn't excite me nor does it make me angry. I don't think this will make any real difference in whether we win a championship or not. Way too many ifs with Bynum. Sure the risk is minimal, but I see the reward as marginal at best.
Bynum has not been in basketball shape for two seasons now, I doubt he is going to get into shape over the next few weeks.
At best he is a better backup than Ian and can provide some low post scoring off the bench playing 10-15 minutes per game. And sure there is some value in that, I don't see this as a game changer.
At worst he never gets into the regular rotation (for any number of reasons) and we are what we have been for for the first 46 games of the season.
Danny should definitely be getting 25 minutes every game, while either Lance of Paul playing over 36 minutes should be more of an exception than a common occurrence.
I'm not sure I am ready to make Danny the main focus of the bench offense. They force fed him some against the Nets, and it didn't working out very well. I do think his role does need to increase though.
1) Risk Analysis: One of the factors when doing risk analysis is to combine the DAMAGE a risk coming true would bring with the PROBABILITY of each level of damage. In this case, the worst case scenario (that Bynum comes in and completely disrupts the team) is unlikely because of the very cheapness and short length of his contract - first sign of trouble and the Pacers FO demonstrates their support for the existing locker room by booting Bynum to the baseboard. Were we investing some huge amount of money or needing to arrange a fancy trade to get him out of here, that risk becomes more likely.
2) Why push Bynum so quickly? Because, as was said, this answers the people who might think the Pacers aren't going for it all this year. Bynum is a recognizable name who was brought in for a final push - that's a significant step this franchise is not known for taking. Does it sell tickets? Well, the STH renewal period isn't too far off - but, marketing cynicism aside, it's also a legitimate move to make when going for it all.
3) What would PD have thought if he'd gone to the Heat? I think anyone reading the copious posts during speculation would have to come away with the idea that those who thought he would disrupt their locker room were very definitely balanced out by those who thought it would about guarantee them the championship. I would even venture to say MORE people were concerned about him helping the Heat than were certain he'd drag them down, while it seems like we are raising a lot more concerns about dragging US down than ever were pointed out for the Heat. Maybe it is because we feel our success is due much more to chemistry than talent, which I think has been mentioned, but ultimately it goes against the idea that Bynum is being overvalued because he is wearing Blue & Gold.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
I hope being with a good team, in more ways than wins and losses, gets the most out AB. With Lance there to throw him passes I am very interested in watching that play out. Ian just cannot catch the ball. He is a good defender but that is about it. I am very tired of watching our team make so many interior passes to another player 3 feet away, that turn into turnovers. Just shoot the ball please.
Moving Danny for a guard who can back up Lance makes sense to cut down on his 36 mpg. Copeland would slide in to back up PG. Unless Vogel is willing to move Danny down to backup 2, and Copeland to back up 3.
There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.
Why are we only focusing on what happened in Cleveland. He was a little bit of a problem in LA and he didn't show much desire to get into shape and play for the Sixers either.
........MPG ..FG% .FT% RPG APG SPG BPG TO .PF .PPG
Bynum.. 20.0 .419 .762 5.3 1.1 .30 1.2 1.3 1.2 8.4
Mahinmi 16.0 .424 .622 3.1 0.3 .60 0.9 0.8 2.7 3.0
Coming off the bench for the Pacers he should be facing other backups. There's no reason not to think he can continue to give 20 minutes a game. And if his production matches what he did in Cleveland we'll be thrilled.
Last edited by Strummer; 02-03-2014 at 11:41 AM. Reason: better phrasing, maybe.