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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

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  • #31
    Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

    Originally posted by Magic P View Post
    When Paul came out playing well this season all you heard on this board was how we don't need him to score 25 every night because we are so deep. The minute he doesn't have a big game and we lose the reason we lost is because he shot it bad. But I thought the team was deep.

    The minute PG takes the Melo route and doesn't give his all on defense so he can have the energy to score 35 every night they'll complain how his defense has dropped off. The dude can't win for nothing with these people.
    What on earth are you talking about? Who exactly is saying that PG's bad shooting is why we lost? You are defending him against alligations that are not being made.

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    • #32
      Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

      Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
      What on earth are you talking about? Who exactly is saying that PG's bad shooting is why we lost? You are defending him against alligations that are not being made.
      You're right I am making it up

      Originally posted by Johanvil View Post
      Really? That was the reason why we lost?

      The reasons are 2 imo.

      1)The 3 points made from each team. Suns had 8 and we have a pathetic 1.

      2)At some point, more or less, every player on offense stepped up and scored some. Paul George never did that. At least he played really good defense.

      You fix one of the above 2, you win the game.

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      • #33
        Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

        Originally posted by Magic P View Post
        You're right I am making it up
        You serious? That is what you are aggressively defending PG against. Lord.

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        • #34
          Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

          Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
          You serious? That is what you are aggressively defending PG against. Lord.
          Nice strawman, this is my last post to you, so you're just going to ignore that you said

          Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
          What on earth are you talking about? Who exactly is saying that PG's bad shooting is why we lost? You are defending him against alligations that are not being made.
          dude, all I did was give one example and you can't admit you were wrong by saying no one said that.

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          • #35
            Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

            I know the mods will try to give me an infraction when they read this thread but first read the last 7 or so pages of the game thread and tell me people don't honestly have something against Paul George.

            All I pointed out was he played great defense on Dragic which gave us an opportunity to win this game.

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            • #36
              Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

              My ignore list has grown to 2. I feel so good.

              Just click Settings...Edit Ignore List...enter Magic P...click OK...click Save Changes...and voila.

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              • #37
                Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

                Originally posted by Magic P View Post
                When Paul came out playing well this season all you heard on this board was how we don't need him to score 25 every night because we are so deep. The minute he doesn't have a big game and we lose the reason we lost is because he shot it bad. But I thought the team was deep.

                The minute PG takes the Melo route and doesn't give his all on defense so he can have the energy to score 35 every night they'll complain how his defense has dropped off. The dude can't win for nothing with these people.
                Who said anything about 35 points??? The team doesnt need him to score 35 points to win...if it does, then others are the problem...but if you think the guy who is taking the most shots shooting 27% isnt gonna be a problem...well...then...the results speak for themselves...they lost 2 of the games and barely managed to beat a very, very bad Lakers team...

                He doesnt have to be Jordan....but he cant shoot it worse than Tyler Hansbrough while taking 20 shots a game either...thats gonna be more than the rest of the team can make up for on most nights...
                The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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                • #38
                  Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

                  Originally posted by cdash View Post
                  Joe Johnson is an All-Star. He has been utter dogshit 75% of the season.
                  It's the Reggie Effect. He's been good the last 5 min. Plus playing half your games in Brooklyn has to help.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

                    Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                    Who said anything about 35 points??? The team doesnt need him to score 35 points to win...if it does, then others are the problem...but if you think the guy who is taking the most shots shooting 27% isnt gonna be a problem...well...then...the results speak for themselves...they lost 2 of the games and barely managed to beat a very, very bad Lakers team...

                    He doesnt have to be Jordan....but he cant shoot it worse than Tyler Hansbrough while taking 20 shots a game either...thats gonna be more than the rest of the team can make up for on most nights...
                    The NBA season is long and he plays both sides of the floor, nobody has a limitless supply of energy to score well and shut down their man every night. He was shooting 45% from the field before tonight's game so it's not like the dude sucks all season like Tyler did. He's 8th in scoring and the minute he has a bad game offensively it's Armageddon.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

                      I hate the 3 point line tonight.
                      "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                      "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                      • #41
                        Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

                        Originally posted by Magic P View Post
                        I know the mods will try to give me an infraction when they read this thread but first read the last 7 or so pages of the game thread and tell me people don't honestly have something against Paul George.
                        You have to understand two things about this forum. Number one is that most people on this board believe the Pacers to be a championship contender this season. Number two is that most people on this board believe that Paul George is the best player on this team. Due to these two things being true, when the team struggles to perform as well as we know it is capable, the first player people will look to is the superstar, Paul George. That's just the way of life in the NBA.

                        There is no major conspiracy against PG on this forum. We are blessed to have him here, and we know it - most of us even write about it from time to time, but it is the obvious truth and thus does not need to be stated. We only criticize him because we know he can play better. The fact that he was putting in MVP-type performances night in and night out during the early stretch of the season may have given some posters unrealistic expectations, but nobody is hating on the kid. We might not always agree with his shot selection, or his decision to foul people at half-court, or some of the passes he tries to squeeze in sometimes, but we criticize everybody for these mistakes. As the star of the team, however, he's going to face the most scrutiny.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

                          Originally posted by Magic P View Post
                          The NBA season is long and he plays both sides of the floor, nobody has a limitless supply of energy to score well and shut down their man every night. He was shooting 45% from the field before tonight's game so it's not like the dude sucks all season like Tyler did. He's 8th in scoring and the minute he has a bad game offensively it's Armageddon.
                          Its not one bad game...its now 3...and its not the first time this season...

                          And his defense has also not been up to the level it had been either...though I dont go along with this idea that he can play one but not the other...

                          Maybe if energy is truly the issue, which we all know its not, he should quit jacking up so many threes when theyre obviously not falling

                          The bottom line is this team is balanced well enough that no one player has to play great every night for them to win....however, it is entirely possible for a guy taking 20 shots a night to reduce their odds of winning immensely if hes only shooting 27%...You could argue Paul has pretty much shot them out of their chance of winning these last 3 games...you simply cant be that inefficient and have much of a shot of winning...no matter how good of a defender u are
                          The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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                          • #43
                            Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

                            Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                            Its not one bad game...its now 3...and its not the first time this season...

                            And his defense has also not been up to the level it had been either...though I dont go along with this idea that he can play one but not the other...

                            Maybe if energy is truly the issue, which we all know its not, he should quit jacking up so many threes when theyre obviously not falling

                            The bottom line is this team is balanced well enough that no one player has to play great every night for them to win....however, it is entirely possible for a guy taking 20 shots a night to reduce their odds of winning immensely if hes only shooting 27%...You could argue Paul has pretty much shot them out of their chance of winning these last 3 games...you simply cant be that inefficient and have much of a shot of winning...no matter how good of a defender u are
                            We don't even make a comeback without PG's defense on Dragic. He does more for this team than score, he didn't win us the game but he didn't lose it either.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

                              Defensively PG killed it on Dragic, yes, but we needed more than 10 points from him tonight.

                              And before I get accused of being part of this giant anti-PG conspiracy that doesn't exist, we needed a lot from a lot of our guys tonight, namely on the second unit.

                              Welcome to the Dogdays of the season kiddos.
                              "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                              "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                              • #45
                                Re: Pacers/Suns Postgame Thread

                                PG is just hitting a rough streak, you can tell because his free throws are having trouble falling as well. I am fine with him putting up 20 shots, he is our best player, he earned the right. If he doesn't hit them fine, but eventually they will fall

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