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    Yes that's usually the case when someone loses the SB they are the biggest loser and since its Manning even more so.

    Sucks but that's how it is. Is it fair? No but nothing really is.

    I'm sure over time it will be looked back as rather impressive he made it back to the SB when two years ago nobody thought this was even possible.

    However not right now.

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    If you judged Peyton Manning's legacy / career as higher than Tom Brady's a year ago, 6 months ago, or even a week ago, it seems logical to think that any supposed gap between them has only widened, in Peyton's favor.

    If you had Peyton Manning's legacy /career as lower than Tom Brady's a year ago, 6 months ago, or even a week ago, it seems logical to think that any supposed gap between them has narrowed, in Peyton's favor.

    Peyton had a better season and yes a better postseason than Tom Brady, who went 1-1 instead of 2-1, and had a subpar game in the Patriots loss to Manning's team, wuth Manning playing exceptionally well.

    Peyton was better yesterday, since Brady was not proficient enough to even be permitted to play. 0-1 is in fact better than 0-0.

    Yes, that flies in the face of the stupid tendency to put EVERYTHING on the outcome of one game, the SUPER BOWL, the loser of which is THE NFL'S BIGGEST LOSER, supposedly.

    You know, the stupid logic that, for example, ridicules the 2007 Patriots for "choking" in the Super Bowl as a big favorite, something that, after all, nobody else did. Nobody else lost in the Super Bowl that day! San Diego, losers of the AFCCG to NE two weeks before, were better than New England that year, or at least had a more successful postseason, being 0-0 in the Super Bowl. As were the Colts, losers of in the division round to San Diego, who also went 0-0 in the Super Bowl. Everyone knows it is of utmost importance to "never have lost in the Super Bowl" (even though you avoided that fate by losing sooner.)

    Does anyone else see how silly this popularly applied "logic" is?

    That is an outstanding analysis. I agree 100%.

    Peyton's legacy wasn't "hurt" by last night. Beating the Pats in the AFCCG and then getting drilled in the Super Bowl is still infinitely better than if they would have lost to the Chargers in the Divisional Round. It's also infinitely better than losing to the Pats in the AFCCG. Peyton had the best statistical season in the history of the position at age 37, just two years removed from a career threatening injury. He won a record 5th MVP and went to his third Super Bowl. It would be absolute insanity to think that his 2013 season, which was one of the finest in the history of the position, "hurt" his legacy. This 2013 season means that his career is more impressive than it was a year ago. Saying that he "hurt" his legacy implies that people think less of him than they did a year ago, which makes no sense at all.

    While he didn't "hurt" his legacy last night, what's key is that he missed out on a golden opportunity to substantially elevate it. There was far more for him to gain last night than lose. Had he won this late career Super Bowl after such a gaudy regular season, it would have caused a lot of people to revise their GOAT rankings and move him up their list. It would have been an incredible late career feather in his cap that would have served him extremely well in any GOAT debate. So while he didn't "hurt" his legacy, he for the second time missed an opportunity to cash in on another Super Bowl. Like I said, there was far more to gain here than lose. Losing meant that most people have similar thoughts about him to what they had before this Super Bowl. But winning would have really made people re-evaluate his place amongst the elite.

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    By playing badly he, for lack of a better word, 'confirmed' for many people the knock against him and that is his coming up small in the playoffs. That's not to say people think he sucks... Few would neglect to put him with the greats of the game. But last night was his opportunity to elevate his name past that and change the argument to whether he is the best of all time.

    The argument can still be made, but there's plenty of ammo for anyone who says he is not the GOAT.

    He didn't even have to win last night... He just needed to play well and hopefully make a game of it. Even if the team didn't play well, Manning simply didn't need to be one of the symptoms of the loss. He needed to be a bright spot. He was not.
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    [QUOTE=Sollozzo;1782017]While he didn't "hurt" his legacy last night, what's key is that he missed out on a golden opportunity to substantially elevate it. /QUOTE]

    That is the perfect way to state it. Many would certainly disagree but had he won the game then in my mind his body of work clearly pushes him into that upper tier of QB's that includes Montana, Elway & Brady.

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    Even if he had played well and lost it wouldn't have mattered because its still a LOSS

    There aren't style points in the NFL especially in the SB.

    People already made up their minds about him to begin with nothing was going to change even if the Broncos won. They would've said "Peyton Manning needs to win another ring to prove he can win the big game" even though he's already won the big game.

    You know the same exact thing they said up until the Saints SB and this one.

    The same exact thing they're going to say about him next season(even though he's "out of the conversation")

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    ^^ he wasn't exactly stellar in that Super Bowl run.

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    People already made up their minds about him to begin with nothing was going to change even if the Broncos won. They would've said "Peyton Manning needs to win another ring to prove he can win the big game" even though he's already won the big game.

    You know the same exact thing they said up until the Saints SB and this one.

    The same exact thing they're going to say about him next season(even though he's "out of the conversation")
    We'll just have to agree to disagree there I guess. Winning this Super Bowl would have been HUGE for how people talk about him. What would the story have been for the last two days? It would have been how a 37 year old Peyton just had the greatest season in the history of the quarterback position, just two years after a lot of people (including himself) were doubting his future in the NFL because of a massive injury. Even guys like Cris Carter and Deoin Sanders who have criticized him in the past were giving him a lot of credit after he beat the Pats a couple weeks ago, so yes I think that virtually everyone on the planet would have been lavishing universal praise on Manning if the Broncos won this game.

    Winning a Super Bowl with two different franchises seven years apart would have been a massive feather in his cap which could not have been ignored. Sure, some might have still put Montana and Brady above him because of ring count, but even the biggest Manning hater on the planet would have had to re-evaluate him. Manning's 2 wouldn't have beat Brady's 3, but you could certainly have argued that Manning winning this late career Super Bowl would have been more impressive than anything Brady had done.

    Why do you think talking heads have talked so much about his legacy before these last two Super Bowls? It's because they have been huge games with a ton at stake . The Colts had the opportunity to win two Super Bowls in a four year span when they lost to the Saints. That was a huge deal. This year, 37 year old Peyton had the opportunity to win a super impressive second Super Bowl with a different team. Again, a huge deal. Talking heads aren't crafting the legacy here. Peyton has crafted his own legacy. The only reason the talking heads continue to roll with the same narrative is because Manning has lost these big games more often than he has won them. If the situation was reversed, then the opinions would be reversed. Peyton has had the opportunity to change it.

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    Exactly which is why people saying had he played well and lost it would've been fine is a bunch of garbage

    He didn't play that great and won the SB and people still think he needed to win another to validate his career.

    Which is my point people already made up their minds there is always going to be something "wrong" where Manning is concerned even if he had won the SB on Sunday it would be well he has to win another...

    Yes players technically define the legacy but the media is the one who creates the narratives.

    They don't say this about Drew Brees who has only won 2 playoff games since his SB win

    Or Aaron Rodgers who many thought would end up with more rings than Favre(and he could but he has only won 2 playoff games since then)

    Brady hasn't even won an SB in almost a decade and yet no do or die narratives with him.

    Why not talk about them if Manning is such an epic fail to them?

    Not as interesting to talk about them after all they have sob stories Manning came from money was the #1 pick in the draft the epitome of white privilege who had every advantage in life and was able to maximize it yet the one thing they can use against him is that he only has 1 ring despite all his talent.

    I mean how can he be so great and only win so little? They get so much mileage out of that narrative alone that its going to be hard for them to scramble for another player when he does retire. I mean there's Romo but he barely makes the playoffs.
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    Which is my point people already made up their minds there is always going to be something "wrong" where Manning is concerned even if he had won the SB on Sunday it would be well he has to win another...
    I doubt it. Winning this game would have felt like winning two Super Bowls given the Seattle defense and everything he has been through with his health. The coverage would have been 100% praise on Manning.

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    You really think they wouldn't have said he had to win another?

    I guess you must've missed the 1st SB when they asked can he lead them to another SB?

    1 SB seems to be enough for Drew and Aaron but apparently Manning not so much is my point. They would've come up with something else this Legacy narrative has taken a life of its own I mean boards create a whole thread about this alone.

    You don't see this with other players.

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    Manning has (had?), thru his body of work, the chance to insert his name into the argument for greatest QB to ever play the game and negate many arguments to the contrary. He missed the chance. Instead the only thing that was solidified was the argument he's not the greatest QB to ever play the game because he shrinks in the post season.

    Rodgers and Brees don't have the body of work to put their names into that argument as the greatest QB in the first place.
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    Manning has (had?), thru his body of work, the chance to insert his name into the argument for greatest QB to ever play the game and negate many arguments to the contrary. He missed the chance. Instead the only thing that was solidified was the argument he's not the greatest QB to ever play the game because he shrinks in the post season.

    Rodgers and Brees don't have the body of work to put their names into that argument as the greatest QB in the first place.
    So then they should never mention Manning again from here on out like they claimed they would after the last SB loss.

    He's out of the conversation the media should make sure it stays that way but people keep ignoring my point here

    They won't

    Rodgers and Brees don't have interesting narratives because Rodgers wasn't drafted #1(although he probably should've been) he fell a ton of spots down to the Packers. Then won the SB a couple years after Favre left not much else to say about him. Brees had a bad injury that many were suspect he would play again and then went to New Orleans and won it all there so his story has been told not really much to say about him beyond that.

    There's no legacy posts about these guys there's no more "tragic" angle with them. There is with Manning because all his records, coming from $$$ and being the #1 pick and only one ring which apparently isn't good enough.

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    So then they should never mention Manning again from here on out like they claimed they would after the last SB loss.

    He's out of the conversation the media should make sure it stays that way but people keep ignoring my point here

    They won't
    The media narrative doesn't drive Manning's legacy. Manning's legacy drives the media narrative.

    Why would they not mention this stuff when Peyton is playing in a late career Super Bowl which would cap the greatest QB season ever and give him major ammo in any GOAT debate?. The reason that they have mentioned all of this legacy stuff before the last two Super Bowls is because Peyton has had two major opportunities to cash in on a second Super Bowl. The reason that it goes back to the same old discussion is because he lost both Super Bowls. Had he won one or both of the Super Bowls, then it would have been a different discussion.

    Manning got A LOT of praise after beating the Pats in that AFCCG. Most in the media world, even those who had traditionally been anti-Manning, wanted to see him cash in on this Super Bowl because it would have been a hell of a story.

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    The media narrative doesn't drive Manning's legacy. Manning's legacy drives the media narrative.

    Why would they not mention this stuff when Peyton is playing in a late career Super Bowl which would cap the greatest QB season ever and give him major ammo in any GOAT debate?. The reason that they have mentioned all of this legacy stuff before the last two Super Bowls is because Peyton has had two major opportunities to cash in on a second Super Bowl. The reason that it goes back to the same old discussion is because he lost both Super Bowls. Had he won one or both of the Super Bowls, then it would have been a different discussion.

    Manning got A LOT of praise after beating the Pats in that AFCCG. Most in the media world, even those who had traditionally been anti-Manning, wanted to see him cash in on this Super Bowl because it would have been a hell of a story.
    Except I remember 4 years ago when the Colts lost the SB to the Saints how he should never be entered into the conversation as the GOAT fine cool whatever and yet 4 years later they're saying the same exact thing even though in between they keep bringing him up despite talking about how he's the greatest regular season QB of all time which is rather worthless but can't get it done in the postseason. Well if they thought this way then why the disappointment that he didn't win another SB? I mean he's not a big game guy so talk about those who are? Too boring. Its all about drama. Like the Red Sox having 86 years of futility and then they won and it was great and the other two titles they won since then well they're just another team now.

    Once upon a time 7 years ago on this very day many of us thought yes Manning can win the big game since he actually got a ring and that none of these questions would have to be answered ever again with him.

    Its gotten worse over time.

    The media choses who and what they want to cover is my point. I mean if they wanted to ignore Manning they could easily do so I mean they ignore other great players in this league. Calvin Johnson is an amazing WR and nobody really talks about him much he's well behaved no diva antics and yet doesn't get the coverage a Dez Bryant would because you know he's going to say something stupid.

    I mean look how quickly the media is ignoring Richard Sherman and yet a couple weeks ago you couldn't escape the guy because of an outburst. Now he says the PC things and well its just boring to them. Even if he had won the last 2 SBs it would be well can he win another? That's the next storyline.

    Nobody asks Brady if he can win another to secure his legacy? He's a 6th round draft pick that has 3 rings he pretty much gets a pass for life no matter what happens.

    The media revels in failure and high drama not much else Manning's career is high drama and failure to them nobody else registers.

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    Nobody asks Brady if he can win another to secure his legacy? He's a 6th round draft pick that has 3 rings he pretty much gets a pass for life no matter what happens.
    PULL-EEASE.

    They ask him why he hasn't won't $^#% since spygate and if all three of his rings should be ignored by everyone.

    Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk ask hijm to admit that they were robbed (like the Rams offense and special teams were shut down by tapes of defensive signals... really?)

    They call him a system quarterback and ask him why the Giants "dominated" him in two super bowls, as if domination somehow involved securing a win in the final seconds.

    They ask him why he is 6-6 in playoff games since 2007, as if the 12-2 record before that should never be brought up.

    Then he just smiles, credits his teammates, talks about how hard it is be match up with such gifted opponents, and says he loves playing football and feels thankful for the opportunity.

    Then they label him an arrogant smug pretty boy who can't carry Peyton's jock.
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    Nobody is calling Brady a choker for not winning the last two SB's though and its laughable if you think Brady is judged worse than Manning.

    Not even in the same stadium.

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    The player who is judged worse is the player who most recently (in the media's eyes) failed to deliver.

    They would be crowning Peyton as the Sports God of all Earth if Denver won, and they bash him endlessly now that Denver lost.

    If Brady had played Sunday, those two same scenarios would have been there to play themselves out the same way.
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    The player who is judged worse is the player who most recently (in the media's eyes) failed to deliver.

    They would be crowning Peyton as the Sports God of all Earth if Denver won, and they bash him endlessly now that Denver lost.

    If Brady had played Sunday, those two same scenarios would have been there to play themselves out the same way.

    Brady was never called a choking loser for those SB losses Manning is labeled to be a loser no matter when he lost the playoffs even with a team that wasn't great. He was blamed for the Jets loss in his last game as a Colt even though he put them in a position to win.

    That never happened with Brady. They aren't judged the same which is why I find it laughable that anyone thinks they are.

    And even if the Broncos won they would talk about how Manning would need to win another

    Just like when the Colts beat the Bears in the SB.

    Nobody is saying Brady's career needs to be validated with another SB.
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    Brady was never called a choking loser for those SB losses Manning is labeled to be a loser no matter when he lost the playoffs even with a team that wasn't great. He was blamed for the Jets loss in his last game as a Colt even though he put them in a position to win.

    That never happened with Brady. They aren't judged the same which is why I find it laughable that anyone thinks they are.

    And even if the Broncos won they would talk about how Manning would need to win another

    Just like when the Colts beat the Bears in the SB.

    Nobody is saying Brady's career needs to be validated with another SB.
    Brady laid out a fairly solid career reputation early on with his performances. That buys you a lot of benefit of the doubt. And I don't recall any SB drubbings either. And the fact is, Brady's rep has been hurt a little over the years with the SB drought.
    But mainly you're comparing apples and oranges here.

    IMHO Manning gets rattled in big games. That's the whole key to beating him and wrecking the offense. Let the pressure of the situation be your 12th defender and go after him with a plan to rattle him and he'll do the rest. Keep him out of a rhythm. You could see it in his eyes and body language rather quickly that Seattle had him rattled. And then the entire Bronco team fell apart. Where other QB's might be able to notch it back a gear and play it safe (or have an OC to do that for them) to find themselves, Manning can just spin the game right out of control for you as he pushes it. All that 'Hurry Hurry Omaha Omaha' stuff starts biting him (and the team) in the a$$.

    This stuff is easy to admit now that he's not a Colt any longer. He has that reputation because it's true....
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    Brady laid out a fairly solid career reputation early on with his performances. That buys you a lot of benefit of the doubt. And I don't recall any SB drubbings either. And the fact is, Brady's rep has been hurt a little over the years with the SB drought.
    But mainly you're comparing apples and oranges here.

    IMHO Manning gets rattled in big games. That's the whole key to beating him and wrecking the offense. Let the pressure of the situation be your 12th defender and go after him with a plan to rattle him and he'll do the rest. Keep him out of a rhythm. You could see it in his eyes and body language rather quickly that Seattle had him rattled. And then the entire Bronco team fell apart. Where other QB's might be able to notch it back a gear and play it safe (or have an OC to do that for them) to find themselves, Manning can just spin the game right out of control for you as he pushes it. All that 'Hurry Hurry Omaha Omaha' stuff starts biting him (and the team) in the a$$.

    This stuff is easy to admit now that he's not a Colt any longer. He has that reputation because it's true....
    They are still SB losses where they were favored to win the score doesn't really matter beyond that.

    Except you could say Brady didn't have a lot to do with the Pats success in those SBs I mean he's a better QB now than when he actually won those championships
    people forget that the Pats had a great defense and once those guys retired or left the team they weren't the same. As soon as it became Brady centric the team had the same playoff results that the Colts did. Offenses don't go very far when they meet a defense that hits them in the mouth(like the Giants in both SBs)

    My point is if Brady is so much better than Manning then he should be called a failure if he can't get it done either. He's not. Manning is but if he's the inferior QB then just say so and focus on the one that they think is superior and make sure he's held to that high standard. They don't.

    So if people are going to claim he shouldn't be in the GOAT conversation then don't talk about him needing to win (insert game) to be in that conversation to validate his career because he shouldn't be in the conversation to begin with right?

    Since he's a loser after all.

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    They are still SB losses where they were favored to win the score doesn't really matter beyond that.
    Of course the score matters. A loss is a loss of course, but we're talking about whether the QB should take any blame for the loss. I'm trying to remember Brady's SB losses and whether he himself was detrimental to the team and I don't recall anything egregious. It's hard to pin the Giant's loss on Brady. Meanwhile, there's little argument Manning was actually detrimental to the Broncos against Seattle. As great of a regular season as he had, and even into the playoffs, Manning couldn't play that badly and expect to win no matter what else happened.

    You have to own it when you play badly. If you have a reputation for playing badly in big games, and you play badly in the biggest game of all, particularly following the season Manning had... then you're not going to change that perception. You're going to add to it.
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    Of course the score matters. A loss is a loss of course, but we're talking about whether the QB should take any blame for the loss. I'm trying to remember Brady's SB losses and whether he himself was detrimental to the team and I don't recall anything egregious. It's hard to pin the Giant's loss on Brady. Meanwhile, there's little argument Manning was actually detrimental to the Broncos against Seattle. As great of a regular season as he had, and even into the playoffs, Manning couldn't play that badly and expect to win no matter what else happened.

    You have to own it when you play badly. If you have a reputation for playing badly in big games, and you play badly in the biggest game of all, particularly following the season Manning had... then you're not going to change that perception. You're going to add to it.
    I don't know which Giants game you're referring too, but in their second meeting Tom got called for intentional grounding in the endzone which resulted in a safety. Not to mention Brady was picked off when the Pats were leading 15-17. They ended up going on to lose 21-17.

    I think that fact that people don't remember those things, gives some legs to BBfan's point.

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    I bet that wouldn't be the type of headline for Peyton. I just skimmed the article, but I don't see any criticism of Tom.
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    I think that Brady has received plenty of criticism for the two losses against the Giants. It's what keeps most people from putting him as the GOAT above Montana, especially the first one which would have completed the perfect season and given him 4 Super Bowl rings in 7 seasons. His historic offense only put up 14 points that game, though in fairness to him he did lead an 80 yard touchdown drive to go up 14-10 with under 3 minutes left. It took a helmet catch for the Giants to sail into victory on the next possession. Four years later, there was plenty of criticism for Brady when the Pats didn't avenge the Super Bowl 42 loss. Brady wasn't awful by any means, but he wasn't very great either. There was the safety and the late interception. Eli certainly outplayed him down the stretch.

    The fact that Brady hasn't won a ring in a while is why a good number of people would have been willing to move Manning past Brady if he had pulled off the win against Seattle. The opportunity was certainly there. It would have given Manning a late career Super Bowl ring, something that Brady doesn't have, and he would have gone through Brady to get it. Some people would have always said that 3 is better than 2, but I think that plenty would have thought that Manning winning this latest Super Bowl at 37 after the historic season would have been more impressive than anything that Brady had done, and thus they would have moved him above Brady had he pulled it out. Since Brady's 3 championships were basically with the same roster, plenty of people would have given Manning the nod for winning one at an old age with a completely different team.

    But it didn't happen and Manning missed the opportunity. Sure, Brady's three Super Bowl rings were a while ago now. But Manning's one Super Bowl ring was quite a while ago too. Brady's last ring came after the 2004 season, and Manning's one ring came after the 2006 season. As time goes on, the difference between the 04 and 06 season is pretty miniscule. 5 Super Bowl appearances with 3 old rings and good Super Bowl stats is better than 3 Super Bowl appearances with 1 old ring and extremely mediocre Super Bowl stats, including arguably the biggest meltdown in Super Bowl history.
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-05-2014 at 03:02 PM.

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    Default Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

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    I think that Brady has received plenty of criticism for the two losses against the Giants. It's what keeps most people from putting him as the GOAT above Montana, especially the first one which would have completed the perfect season and given him 4 Super Bowl rings in 7 seasons. His historic
    And as time goes on Brady is getting pushed back into the pack because the talking heads are pushing Belichick needs more credit for what the Patriots have done. Actually Manning and Brady having been taking the hits for awhile.
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    ......... the difference between the 04 and 06 season is pretty miniscule.
    Well, in years, of course it's almost nothing, but if you look at days (730) it seems to be a lot more. And let's not even go to hours (17520). THAT'S a HUGE difference - isn't it ??

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