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    you think PG won't remember you trading away half of the G2 zone?
    While I agree with your general statement, I really hope PG isn't so attached to the rest of the team as to get upset when shakeups happen so we can, well, afford to keep paying him.
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    While I agree with your general statement, I really hope PG isn't so attached to the rest of the team as to get upset when shakeups happen so we can, well, afford to keep paying him.
    PG is a human being, and it's clear he and Hill have bonded. They are neighbors and they share a fan section. Let me just put it this way, do you consider Lowry a big enough upgrade over Hill for 30-some games to risk it? I don't.

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    Ok so we trade George Hill bring in Lowry and then let him walk this offseason, we give Lance his ransom, which we might be able to do anyway, and then what? We're a starter short with David West on the bad side of 30 and you think PG won't remember you trading away half of the G2 zone? I mean this trade makes literally no sense unless your goal is to see if you can destroy the culture Bird has built.

    I'd rather trade Granger and Solo for Gasol and Nick Young. Gasol's expiring takes care of Lance.

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    I'd rather trade Granger and Solo for Gasol and Nick Young. Gasol's expiring takes care of Lance.
    1) No it doesn't because you're giving up Granger's expiring. All you're doing is swapping two expirings (with zero 2014 value) and saving $100K (and losing two years) with Young. It does nothing to "take care of Lance".

    2) It takes away valuable depth at a needed position and gives us more depth where we're just 'okay'.

    3) It doesn't work anyway; too much money coming back.

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    I'd rather trade Granger and Solo for Gasol and Nick Young. Gasol's expiring takes care of Lance.
    Plus, is Gasol going to be okay with coming off the bench? Where does that leave Scola? Seems like just a bad chemistry trade.

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    I'd rather trade Granger and Solo for Gasol and Nick Young. Gasol's expiring takes care of Lance.
    Why would PG be attached to a player who does not make the game easier for him and does not make plays for him... Trust me PG would be happy with a point guard who takes a lil pressure of of him and creates occasional easy baskets for him... Kyle would be a good fit for this squad and also make them even better than they currently are... I like G Gill but he belongs as a backup...

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    Superstar team? I'm seeing one superstar (and he's not done becoming one yet), a great defensive center with a dash of offense, and .... ? How are we a superstar team?
    I agree Paul G has the potential to be a superstar.. Those who call Roy a superstar make me laugh...

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    I'd rather trade Granger and Solo for Gasol and Nick Young. Gasol's expiring takes care of Lance.
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    Larry Bird has seen even 60+ win teams get better by making fairly major moves (the Cedric Maxwell trade from the Celtics as an example) so I don't think he is tied to the "not broke, don't fix it" philosophy.

    I trust him to weight the plusses and minuses, and not just with respect to this year alone.

    Me, I don't think gong after Lowry makes sense in the long run, if George Hill is going to Toronto. If it were instead CJ, Cope, and a non-rotation guy or future pick I suppose, but Toronto surely would laugh heartily at that.
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    Plus, is Gasol going to be okay with coming off the bench? Where does that leave Scola? Seems like just a bad chemistry trade.

    Dude, we're taking Gasol away from the current Lakers team and embedding him into a contender. He'd probably fly the plane to Indy himself if he had to. An opportunity to play for the best team in the league, the East, and an opportunity to win a ring? He'd be okay with backing up Roy because Gasol is older now, less wear on his body. And, he has an opportunity to win a ring. What's he gonna say? "Nah....I'd rather stay in L.A. and not make the playoffs and hope Nash can come back healthy next season." It leaves Scola exactly where he is. Gasol is a center, Scola a PF. Having two guys like that stretches the defense. Both can hit it from 15 feet out. And we actually get to play the post game off the bench with a legit center. Would be awesome.

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    Why would PG be attached to a player who does not make the game easier for him and does not make plays for him... Trust me PG would be happy with a point guard who takes a lil pressure of of him and creates occasional easy baskets for him... Kyle would be a good fit for this squad and also make them even better than they currently are... I like G Gill but he belongs as a backup...
    It's pretty clear that they have a very close relationship off-the-court. I don't think you'd know anymore than me about how Paul would feel about having his best friend traded away.

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    Ok so we trade George Hill bring in Lowry and then let him walk this offseason, we give Lance his ransom, which we might be able to do anyway, and then what? We're a starter short with David West on the bad side of 30 and you think PG won't remember you trading away half of the G2 zone? I mean this trade makes literally no sense unless your goal is to see if you can destroy the culture Bird has built.
    I don't disagree. I want to keep the crew together and try like heck to keep Lance over the summer. I'm just saying if you trade Hill, it's not to get a more expensive replacement.
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    Dude, we're taking Gasol away from the current Lakers team and embedding him into a contender.
    Stop. This thread has nothing to do with Gasol. If you really want to dream up scenarios with the Lakers, make a thread in the trade section where we can all ignore it.
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    Why would PG be attached to a player who does not make the game easier for him and does not make plays for him... Trust me PG would be happy with a point guard who takes a lil pressure of of him and creates occasional easy baskets for him... Kyle would be a good fit for this squad and also make them even better than they currently are... I like G Gill but he belongs as a backup...
    The only reason Kyle Lowry averages more assists than Hill is because he has the ball more. That is literally the only reason. Also if you want to take the ball away from Paul George or Lance Stephenson so you can give it to Kyle Lowry, I think you will lose a lot of games.

    I can just imagine that conversation now, "Yeah Lance and PG we traded Hill for Lowry today so we can take some pressure off of you guys and put the ball in Kyle's hands more instead of in the hands of a pair of 2014 All Stars" Lance and Paul, ""
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    ^^ Don't encourage him.

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    This insider article had a picture of Lowry with it. Not crazy about Broussard, but interested to see what it says. Any insiders want to post?

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story...cago-bulls-nba

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    The only reason Kyle Lowry averages more assists than Hill is because he has the ball more. That is literally the only reason. Also if you want to take the ball away from Paul George or Lance Stephenson so you can give it to Kyle Lowry, I think you will lose a lot of games.

    I can just imagine that conversation now, "Yeah Lance and PG we traded Hill for Lowry today so we can take some pressure off of you guys and put the ball in Kyle's hands more instead of in the hands of a pair of 2014 All Stars" Lance and Paul, ""
    Again...people simply look at stats and think that just because GH has less than 3.3 APG that simply means that he's a horrible Point Guard...WHY? cuz he's a Point Guard...he's supposed to be dishing out assists. Why is our supposed Starting Point Guard averaging less Assists than our Starting SG and SF? A Point Guard with 3.3 APG means that he just sucks.

    The problem is that they completely ignore that this Team has 3 primary ball handlers split between PG24, Lance and GH/CJ.

    Why is that? It's because that is how our offense is run.....the entire offense DOES NOT flow through 1 or 2 Players...it flows through AT LEAST 3 Players...thus diminishing the need for GH to handle the ball and playing more "off the ball" in the offense....thus less assists for whoever runs the point on this Team.

    To be clear, PG24 and Lance does not handle the ball as much as they do now because GH is such a terrible Point Guard and ball handler who can't dish out assists for the rest of the Team. They handle the ball because the offense is designed to flow through them as well as Players that create for others on the floor.

    But that's okay...let's just continue to look at the stats, continue to think that the "Grass is always Greener" cuz 3.3 APG isn't cutting it for a Starting PG and continue to hope for a real Point Guard that can handle the ball more and dish out assists while taking the ball out of the hands of the 2 Players that we don't want to take the ball away from....PG24 and Lance.
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    Hill is not a point guard. He guards them really well. But on offense he is a combo guard. He is the worst passer in the starting lineup. And that is okay. Because he should be on the receiving end of passes. Saving energy to guard the opposing point guard.

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    PG is a human being, and it's clear he and Hill have bonded. They are neighbors and they share a fan section. Let me just put it this way, do you consider Lowry a big enough upgrade over Hill for 30-some games to risk it? I don't.
    At worse, Lowry would perform on par with Hill. The point of such a trade would be to ensure that Lance is kept in the offseason. Yes, you would thus lose a starting point guard. But once again, point guards are the most replaceable position on a basketball team and you do not have to overpay to sign even a quality one. Lance, however, is not replaceable.
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    The only reason Kyle Lowry averages more assists than Hill is because he has the ball more. That is literally the only reason. Also if you want to take the ball away from Paul George or Lance Stephenson so you can give it to Kyle Lowry, I think you will lose a lot of games.

    I can just imagine that conversation now, "Yeah Lance and PG we traded Hill for Lowry today so we can take some pressure off of you guys and put the ball in Kyle's hands more instead of in the hands of a pair of 2014 All Stars" Lance and Paul
    Stats to back it up from Sportvu:

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    Kyle Lowry is at 90.1, putting him at 4th in the league.
    George Hill is at 68.2, putting him at 48th in the league.
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    I don't see what the fascination of moving Hill off the team is? He's a perfect fit for our team. It makes no sense. Hell no I don't want to trade George Hill for a half year rental of Lowry. The only way I'd make a trade is if it's Grangers expiring and fillers for someone else on an expiring, and only if that helps our team.

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    Stats to back it up from Sportvu:

    Touches per game:

    Kyle Lowry is at 90.1, putting him at 4th in the league.
    George Hill is at 68.2, putting him at 48th in the league.
    That is amazing.

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    Stats to back it up from Sportvu:

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    Kyle Lowry is at 90.1, putting him at 4th in the league.
    George Hill is at 68.2, putting him at 48th in the league.
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    I don't see what the fascination of moving Hill off the team is? He's a perfect fit for our team. It makes no sense. Hell no I don't want to trade George Hill for a half year rental of Lowry. The only way I'd make a trade is if it's Grangers expiring and fillers for someone else on an expiring, and only if that helps our team.
    The fascination with moving Hill is primarily about paying Lance, not about moving Hill.

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    At worse, Lowry would perform on par with Hill. The point of such a trade would be to ensure that Lance is kept in the offseason. Yes, you would thus lose a starting point guard. But once again, point guards are the most replaceable position on a basketball team and you do not have to overpay to sing even a quality one. Lance, however, is not replaceable.
    How long has it taken the Pacers to finally settle on GH as the Starting Point Guard?

    After the Mark Jackson / Travis Best era.....we had Tinsley...who was the Pacers PG from 2002 to 2007....then went onto TJ Ford for 2 seasons...then DC for 2 seasons....then finally settled on GH for the last 3 seasons.

    You're right....it was easy it is to find a Starting PG. We found one once every 2 seasons. But doesn't that also tell you that it's not a matter of simply finding any PG that can fill the spot on your roster....it's a matter of finding one that fits what you want to do.

    The Pacers didn't keep on finding a new PG once every 2 seasons cuz they were just bored of them....it was because the Point Guard didn't fit what they wanted to do.

    I agree with you that finding a Starting PG to simply play the position is easy......but finding one that fits the Pacers system, capable of effectively playing "off the ball" while having one that is somewhat effective on both ends of the floor?

    Good luck with that.
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