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  • #46
    Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

    Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
    I continue to look at Roy lately and wonder WTF ?? He simply didn't want to play last nite. Altitude ?? Just tired ?? Mentally messed up ?? Whatever it is ..... he needs to get his stuff together.
    I was under the impression that Roy has some asthmatic problem. Or am I thinking of someone else?

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    • #47
      Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

      Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
      Tired or not this team does not look capable of winning a title. Title level teams learn from their mistakes. How many of our losses could have been avoided by not sleepwalking through the first half. And we still arent doing it. It takes less energy to stay in a game than to come back in one.

      We continue to whine to the officials not realizing we arent the Heat. Thus its counter productive. And we continue to run plays for the open man which is normally fine. But when that person is 6 for 20 its time to stop especially during an attempted comeback.
      Our loss column is in the single digits still at this point of the season.

      single.

      digits.

      You know what team has lost more games than the Pacers in the NBA?

      All of them.

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      • #48
        Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

        Also, I figured this game would've been a perfect game to give Cope and Sloan some burn. Even if only for change of pace.

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        • #49
          Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
          I'm not a big Copeland fan, but I think that we should at least give him a chance sometime when the other bench players aren't producing. I don't see the harm.

          I think Rasual Butler should get another chance too. He looked half decent in mid December, but then DG came back and he has pretty much only played garbage minutes since then.

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          • #50
            Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

            Originally posted by Gold View Post
            Our loss column is in the single digits still at this point of the season.

            single.

            digits.

            You know what team has lost more games than the Pacers in the NBA?

            All of them.
            This.

            Every single NBA champion has been beaten in the regular season. EVERY SINGLE NBA CHAMPION. Let me repeat. EVERY SINGLE NBA CHAMPION EVER HAS BEEN BEATEN IN THE REGULAR SEASON. A majority of which have had lopsided blown out losses. Over-reaction as such aren't necessary.

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            • #51
              Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

              Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
              Tired or not this team does not look capable of winning a title. Title level teams learn from their mistakes. How many of our losses could have been avoided by not sleepwalking through the first half. And we still arent doing it. It takes less energy to stay in a game than to come back in one.

              We continue to whine to the officials not realizing we arent the Heat. Thus its counter productive. And we continue to run plays for the open man which is normally fine. But when that person is 6 for 20 its time to stop especially during an attempted comeback.
              Because ****, if there's any team that has shown it doesn't learn from its mistakes, it's the team with the best record in the league.
              Time for a new sig.

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              • #52
                Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

                Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                Because ****, if there's any team that has shown it doesn't learn from its mistakes, it's the team with the best record in the league.
                That is a logical Fallacy. If the Thunder and Heat were as healthy as we have been they would both have better records. Weve had a cake schedule and only have the record by one game.

                People keep saying we have the best record. But that doesnt mean crap in the playoffs if guys dont show up to play. Or if the team fails to make adjustments.

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                • #53
                  Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

                  Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                  That is a logical Fallacy. If the Thunder and Heat were as healthy as we have been they would both have better records. Weve had a cake schedule and only have the record by one game.

                  People keep saying we have the best record. But that doesnt mean crap in the playoffs if guys dont show up to play. Or if the team fails to make adjustments.

                  We are virtually guaranteed a spot in the Conference Finals unless something catastrophically awful happens to one of our key players. We know we can play against Miami in a series. I don't see what we have to worry about just because we lost a couple of games out west after playing some great ball before that. Like I said earlier this week, even our crappy 08-09 team managed to beat the four best teams in the NBA that season: Boston, Cleveland, Orlando, and the Lakers. In the NBA, you just have to accept the fact that elite teams sometimes lose to inferior opponents. Every team in the league is filled with world class talent.

                  After this game in LA on Tuesday, 7 of our next 9 games are at home. We should roll off a ton of wins in that stretch. If we look like crap during that favorable stretch, then I will be the first guy to express some concern. But I think that this team has earned the benefit of the doubt by now that they are going to slaughter teams at home. We'll see.

                  If OKC was healthy, then yeah they probably would have a better record than us. They have 2 of the 5 best players in the NBA. There is no shame in admitting that a completely healthy OKC team with Westbrook is probably just a better team than the Pacers. As for the Heat, well they may never be completely healthy again, primarily because Wade's days of being D-Wade appear to be very numbered. Getting to the Finals four straight years is something that hasn't been done since the Celtics in the 80's, so there is a reason that the Heat are on fumes.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

                    Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                    That is a logical Fallacy. If the Thunder and Heat were as healthy as we have been they would both have better records. Weve had a cake schedule and only have the record by one game.

                    People keep saying we have the best record. But that doesnt mean crap in the playoffs if guys dont show up to play. Or if the team fails to make adjustments.
                    We're 5-5 on the second night of back to backs. We are 29-4 the rest of the time. Calm down. I know it's been a rough road trip, but every team has rough stretches.

                    I'd also like to point out that while we have had an easy schedule, it's been one of the most difficult in the east. The Heat have had the easiest schedule in the entire league. http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS/order/false
                    Last edited by aamcguy; 01-26-2014, 01:33 PM.
                    Time for a new sig.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

                      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                      We are virtually guaranteed a spot in the Conference Finals unless something catastrophically awful happens to one of our key players. We know we can play against Miami in a series. I don't see what we have to worry about just because we lost a couple of games out west after playing some great ball before that. Like I said earlier this week, even our crappy 08-09 team managed to beat the four best teams in the NBA that season: Boston, Cleveland, Orlando, and the Lakers. In the NBA, you just have to accept the fact that elite teams sometimes lose to inferior opponents. Every team in the league is filled with world class talent.

                      After this game in LA on Tuesday, 7 of our next 9 games are at home. We should roll off a ton of wins in that stretch. If we look like crap during that favorable stretch, then I will be the first guy to express some concern. But I think that this team has earned the benefit of the doubt by now that they are going to slaughter teams at home. We'll see.

                      If OKC was healthy, then yeah they probably would have a better record than us. They have 2 of the 5 best players in the NBA. There is no shame in admitting that a completely healthy OKC team with Westbrook is probably just a better team than the Pacers. As for the Heat, well they may never be completely healthy again, primarily because Wade's days of being D-Wade appear to be very numbered. Getting to the Finals four straight years is something that hasn't been done since the Celtics in the 80's, so there is a reason that the Heat are on fumes.
                      We may be guaranteed a spot in the conference finals. But this team needs HCA advantage the way they have played. And that is not all but assured. We are what 3 games back of the Heat with 2 more games against them. Thats nothing.

                      These slow starts are costing us games that could be very important when its all said and done.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

                        Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                        We're 5-5 on the second night of back to backs. We are 29-4 the rest of the time. Calm down. I know it's been a rough road trip, but every team has rough stretches.
                        Why tell me to calm down. Its my honest assessment I dont see it anymore. I look at this team and i dont see a champion.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

                          Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                          We may be guaranteed a spot in the conference finals. But this team needs HCA advantage the way they have played. And that is not all but assured. We are what 3 games back of the Heat with 2 more games against them. Thats nothing.

                          These slow starts are costing us games that could be very important when its all said and done.

                          I agree, it would be crushing to lose the 1 seed after controlling all season. But I'm just going to wait and see how we play during the 9 games after the game in LA, 7 of which are at home. I'm confident that we will get back on track. Every team has some rough games throughout the season, even the best ones.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

                            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                            I agree, it would be crushing to lose the 1 seed after controlling all season. But I'm just going to wait and see how we play during the 9 games after the game in LA, 7 of which are at home. I'm confident that we will get back on track. Every team has some rough games throughout the season, even the best ones.
                            Agreed but no effort to correct the problems all year is a huge concern to me. And it makes me question if they even realize they are problems.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

                              Having an unfortunate up close look at the last 3 games I think the biggest issue is that the way the team is defending the high PnR leaves them vulnerable to pull up shooters going over the top of the pick. And when they don't pull up they go with crazy floaters that I consider a normally tough shot.

                              And really Denver didn't beat the Pacers with guard shooting as it was Chandler who was their dangerous shooter. Denver beat a team that hit the front of the rim all night and was low on energy from everyone not named Lance (the biggest reason to love that nitrous oxide player).


                              Still I couldn't help but be freaked out at the ease in which the team fell into the hold in the 2nd quarter all 3 games. Guys ran out on transition defense (when they could keep up, ie, West chasing Faried) and got in people's grills, so it wasn't honestly a lack of effort. The execution just wasn't there. They got burned on rebounds or controlling loose balls after good defensive stands and often were just not in synch.

                              Luis and Roy and West shot poorly much of the time and that hurt a ton, especially against these 3 teams.


                              But specially in the Denver game it was more about the failure to get over the top and make buckets once they got the lead down to 5-6. In BILF or maybe with rest they convert the next 3-4 possessions, take the lead and ease into the win. Here they had a couple of poor possessions, Denver went the other way and the close game was gone.

                              It really doesn't take much to swing things and none of these games was 48 minutes of junk despite what the score suggested.


                              I didn't think any of the games featured terrible calls, just more the style that was allowed. Crawford was all over the place but was mostly just being obnoxious. Woody and his crew last night were a bit tough on Lance's handles and the Pacers working the post, but I couldn't really complain about calls like Roy's offensive elbow.

                              To me those were more like calls that could fairly go either way and probably represent the benefit of home court where 50/50 calls lean a bit toward the home team. And maybe that's the main difference, a few home calls and a bit better shooting at home that kill the other team's offensive momentum (like supplementing scoring with quick transition buckets) and bump the Pacers advantage by 10-15 points.



                              Finally, when you look at the 3rd the Pacers made their standard run, got the game close, and maybe just ran out of gas like most of us expected before they even left Indy. Can't get too worried about an expected outcome, just frustrating because they could have won that game and salvaged the trip a bit. And the trip only looks bad due to the size of leads given the quality of the opponents.




                              Just get me the hell back to Indy so I can enjoy a home crowd for a change. Enough listening to our boys being ripped while down 15. That got old real fast.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Nuggets/Pacers Postgame

                                Will the real Roy Hibbert please stand up.
                                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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