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    So I guess Fred Armisen is going to lead Seth Meyers's band on his Fallon replacement. That sounds pretty awful. That's the antipathy of chemistry.

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    Every time i see the title of the thread i think it is about the Olympic coverage even though I know the topic.

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    How was Fallon's show?
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    How was Fallon's show?
    I forgot to watch or record it... Was sick last night so bed was early.
    I've seen exactly one FB review though and it was very positive.
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    THought the debut was really good. I watched most of it, but fell asleep toward the end. Didn't get to see U2 second performance.

    I think Fallon will be great. He has a certain gravitas about him and he comes off as a loveable goof ball. Where as Conan always came off a bit pretentious to me, even if he was funny.

    Fallon does great at skits, so even if the guest line up sucks he can make great skits. He also always did great audience participation bits, hope he is able to keep it up.
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    I wonder if truth be known if NBC was never happy with Leno for some reason? Or maybe it was just a constant question of 'What if' since Letterman went on to a successful run on CBS opposite the Tonight Show.... something that was long questionable at best until Letterman showed it could be done.
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    I wonder if truth be known if NBC was never happy with Leno for some reason? Or maybe it was just a constant question of 'What if' since Letterman went on to a successful run on CBS opposite the Tonight Show.... something that was long questionable at best until Letterman showed it could be done.
    I think its more of NBC has a stragety of trying to promote its own stars as much as possible. The Tonight Show had always been its own thing even if it was under the NBC umbrella. Now with Fallon on board its an NBC brand, its now at 30 rock. Seth Meyers, another NBC product is on late night. All the Saturday Night Live crews go on to star in NBC sitcoms.
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    Apparently Jimmy Fallon's Tonight Show is a whole lot like Jimmy Fallon's Late Night except with an updated, but similar styled, set. Not that there's anything wrong with that but there doesn't appear to me to be much changed at all to try and be closer to the previous mold that both Leno and Conan seemed to aim for.

    So the question is.... Will that work at the 11:30PM time slot? Is that what harmed Conan (trying to morph into a preconceived idea of what the Tonight Show should be)?
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    Apparently Jimmy Fallon's Tonight Show is a whole lot like Jimmy Fallon's Late Night except with an updated, but similar styled, set. Not that there's anything wrong with that but there doesn't appear to me to be much changed at all to try and be closer to the previous mold that both Leno and Conan seemed to aim for.

    So the question is.... Will that work at the 11:30PM time slot? Is that what harmed Conan (trying to morph into a preconceived idea of what the Tonight Show should be)?
    Should be fine, he is doing what he is good at.
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    Pretty good editing work here from last night's TS with Jimm Fallon:
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    Fallon's writers are stupendous, genuinely. Outside of musical bits the guy has absolutely zero talent, he's not quick, he's not witty, he's just flat not funny (in my opinion obviously) on his own. The announcer/sidekick guy he has is far better than he is off the cuff. If he looked like Letterman, and didn't give Lorne Michaels good head, that dude would still be getting booed off stage at open mic nights.

    The dude is so out of his element. I don't meant to make it sound more serious than it is (which is not at all), but you've got to get serious every so often when you're manning The Tonight Show. You get 8 or so minutes with the sitting president, every term, usually multiple times.

    Whatever, Leno just always lobbed up hanging curves I guess, won't be much different I suppose. At least Conan could sugarcoat it with a political knowledge that'd make a legit presidential scholar grin. I'm just bummed Late Night's so commercialized, give Charlie Rose The Tonight Show.

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    Fallon's writers are stupendous, genuinely. Outside of musical bits the guy has absolutely zero talent, he's not quick, he's not witty, he's just flat not funny (in my opinion obviously) on his own. The announcer/sidekick guy he has is far better than he is off the cuff. If he looked like Letterman, and didn't give Lorne Michaels good head, that dude would still be getting booed off stage at open mic nights.

    The dude is so out of his element. I don't meant to make it sound more serious than it is (which is not at all), but you've got to get serious every so often when you're manning The Tonight Show. You get 8 or so minutes with the sitting president, every term, usually multiple times.

    Whatever, Leno just always lobbed up hanging curves I guess, won't be much different I suppose. At least Conan could sugarcoat it with a political knowledge that'd make a legit presidential scholar grin. I'm just bummed Late Night's so commercialized, give Charlie Rose The Tonight Show.

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    Fallon has slow jammed the news with The president atleast twice. The FLOTUS has been on his show over the years 3-4 times as well. He does great with political figures, because he doesn't treat them like politicians! Could you ever imagine Laura Bush or Even Hilary Clinton giving you the history or Mom Dancing? All Leno ever did was set them up with corny one liners.
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    Fallon's monologues, IMHO (and caveat: I've only caught two of them) have been disappointing. The normal show schtick is not much different than his Late Night show (and fine) but I think the monologues will need to be tweaked which could simply be shortened (so they don't stand out like a sore thumb when they are off) or better writing or just less trying to appease the 11:30 crowd. Then again, I can't say I really saw Fallon's LS monologues to know if they were any better.
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    I don't know why he bothers with a monologue. Just start off behind the desk or walk right to it as the crowd applauds, and use that time for an extra something else. It could still be something topical.

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    Fallon has slow jammed the news with The president atleast twice. The FLOTUS has been on his show over the years 3-4 times as well. He does great with political figures, because he doesn't treat them like politicians! Could you ever imagine Laura Bush or Even Hilary Clinton giving you the history or Mom Dancing? All Leno ever did was set them up with corny one liners.
    All of that is a gigantic problem for me. The guy's an even bigger lightweight than Leno. I don't know, maybe I'm working my way towards being a curmudgeon and late night talk shows aren't held in the same regard as they used to be.

    But seriously, give Charlie Rose The Tonight Show.

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    Fallon's monologues, IMHO (and caveat: I've only caught two of them) have been disappointing. The normal show schtick is not much different than his Late Night show (and fine) but I think the monologues will need to be tweaked which could simply be shortened (so they don't stand out like a sore thumb when they are off) or better writing or just less trying to appease the 11:30 crowd. Then again, I can't say I really saw Fallon's LS monologues to know if they were any better.
    this has always been my biggest gripe with Fallon. Even on his late show, he just seemed lost up there during them. i hadn't watched him in quite some time, I hoped he would have grown into the role a bit better by now, but I guess not.

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    All of that is a gigantic problem for me. The guy's an even bigger lightweight than Leno. I don't know, maybe I'm working my way towards being a curmudgeon and late night talk shows aren't held in the same regard as they used to be.

    But seriously, give Charlie Rose The Tonight Show.
    For the life of me, I cannot remember the last time I watched any of the national broadcast late night shows. Imo, they have always been about the same content wise, it's just that now there is not only more competition but honestly better quality entertainment from various sources. That and my sense of humor has changed over time or evolved past the standard late night options.
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    Fallon has slow jammed the news with The president atleast twice. The FLOTUS has been on his show over the years 3-4 times as well. He does great with political figures, because he doesn't treat them like politicians! Could you ever imagine Laura Bush or Even Hilary Clinton giving you the history or Mom Dancing? All Leno ever did was set them up with corny one liners.
    Lots of Americans like to see the President look, you know, Presidential. If I wanted to see non-funny cheerleading, I'd watch Chris Matthews.
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    I would bet anything that CNN is talking to Leno right now about taking over for Piers Morgan.

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    Upon reading the whole first part of the thread about how the proof is in the ratings, it's pretty funny to see Fallon dominating the ratings like nobody's business.
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    Upon reading the whole first part of the thread about how the proof is in the ratings, it's pretty funny to see Fallon dominating the ratings like nobody's business.

    I don't think that him dominating at the beginning is very surprising to anyone. There is a huge newness factor. If he is still dominating in three months, then he will deserve major props.
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    Conan also had really good ratings at the beginning, and they just continued to fall off.
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    I agree that its not a huge deal and of course he will fall off some, but he still has ratings that are very impressive even for a first week. I don't watch TV live, so unfortunately I havent watched either for a while, but I liked both Leno and Fallon. But I think the network is in better shape right now than it was for the previous changeover.

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