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    Last night was another good example of why I don't want to give up a rare gold coin just so we have enough room in our pockets for a few dimes.
    As well as he played offensively with 24 and 6, he played horrible defense on Thornton.

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    It's not the last couple of games for Scola. It's the last month. He's shooting below 40% in January. He's becoming a real problem.
    I agree, Scola hasn't been playing well recently and it's somewhat of a problem because he offers NOTHING else

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    I'm not the least bit worried about Scola. He's in a funk, he will snap out of it. I would hardly call him a "problem".

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    I agree, Scola hasn't been playing well recently and it's somewhat of a problem because he offers NOTHING else

    Scola is a very solid rebounder. He's never going to be the most athletic player, but he gives a great effort when it comes to rebounding.

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    I have to say, I'm pretty surprised at the results of this poll. I figured the majority of people would fall in the 10-12 million category. I really don't think this team will be able to keep Lance in that 8-10 million range. Someone is going to throw stupid money his way. It only takes one.

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    I agree, Scola hasn't been playing well recently and it's somewhat of a problem because he offers NOTHING else
    he has actually been a very good rebounder
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    Default Re: What are you willing to see the Pacers pay to keep Lance?

    Very true. I prob focus too much on his defensive shortcomings to pay attention to the fact that he's a good rebounder

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    As well as he played offensively with 24 and 6, he played horrible defense on Thornton.
    Last night would be a bad night for anyone to praise Lance. That was the worse defensive effort I've seen since Troy Murphy.
    Lance's 24 and 6 were outweighed by what he gave up on defense.

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    I have to say, I'm pretty surprised at the results of this poll. I figured the majority of people would fall in the 10-12 million category. I really don't think this team will be able to keep Lance in that 8-10 million range. Someone is going to throw stupid money his way. It only takes one.

    I think the odds are that he's gone at this point and I hate to admit that. If he makes the all star team that's just one one thing to increase his value out of our range. I really don't want that but he's not worth a max or near max level contract. I agree with Bird in what he said and will support his decision when the time comes.

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    The issue is if you let Lance walk, you don't get all of the potential room to sign someone. We get Bird Rights, and can go over the cap by a more significant margin, if we retain our own free agents. If not, we will only have a portion of the MLE, and maybe the mini MLE?
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    We can already keep Lance up to a certain price point so I'm not sure what your calculations are. Saving another 6.5-8 mil would be huge.
    Someone will have to confirm my #s, but my calculations are based off of how much Salary is owed to the # of Players that are owed $$$ and then removing GH or Scola from that equation.

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    As for finding "another George Hill" we don't need to which is the point. He's already replaced in one aspect or another in house. He's also just flat out less valuable then Lance. Or Scola. Or Danny. That's what is meant by 7th banana. 7th most important. 7th best. He might be the best 7th best man in the league but at 8 mil bumping up against the LT, I think it's pretty obvious who should go. Scola is more important now and next year, so is David, obviously so is Lance.
    As I said....I think it's a matter of opinion as to how important GH is and therefore who should go between him Scola.
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    Last night would be a bad night for anyone to praise Lance. That was the worse defensive effort I've seen since Troy Murphy.
    Lance's 24 and 6 were outweighed by what he gave up on defense.
    24/10/6 is praise worthy. Lance's defense wasn't much worse than Paul or Roy's last night. They all played poor on that end.

    I know you put a ton of value on Roy, but games like these are the reason I have my doubts about paying Roy any more than he's currently making. Too often he disappears offensively and on the boards, and I'm not sure I'd be willing to throw 18m at him, or whatever it is he'll be eligible to make, if it means losing a future All-Star wing combo. I love Roy but 18m is too much.

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    The issue is if you let Lance walk, you don't get all of the potential room to sign someone. We get Bird Rights, and can go over the cap by a more significant margin, if we retain our own free agents. If not, we will only have a portion of the MLE, and maybe the mini MLE?
    That's the thing. You let Lance walk and you pretty much guarantee that the team suffers a substantial loss of quality.

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    You never addressed my questions.



    I don't care about what the Spurs do as they don't have the name Pacers across the front of their uni. With Bonner and Diaw as b/u PF, you really think the Spurs will win a championship? If you do I have a piece of ocean front property in Brown County to sell you.

    If you want to go back to years past type of b/u PF's, and just win 50 games then fine. Personally, I've given 40 years of loyalty to the Pacers, and I want a CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!

    I'm not saying Scola is the answer to a championship, but he's an intregal part of making a strong bench which what the Pacers need to win a championship. That's why Bird upon returning strenghtened the bench! He knows a player like Scola is vital to succeed otherwise he'd have just keep Tyler.
    But are you willing to sacrifice the starting lineup we have now just to maintain the bench? Is that a CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!! move? Going back to Granger is a step down, IMO. The Pacers would be a nagging injury or knee/calf soreness away from having to start Solomon Hill or Orlando Johnson.

    You could always sign-and-trade Lance I suppose, but I don't see the Pacers getting back anything that pushes the Pacers towards a championship. I don't see another team trading a quality starter in return. Or at least a starter who gels as well as Lance does with the current unit. Who knows, maybe Bird will prove me wrong this summer. I don't know.

    What I do know is the Pacers were one game away from the finals last year WITHOUT Granger or Scola. We know they can get that far with a crappy bench. And with George and Lance continuing to blossom this year. I have no doubt they can continue to have that kind of success, crappy bench or not.

    I would rather continue to search for a backup PF than I would another quality starting wing player.
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    As well as he played offensively with 24 and 6, he played horrible defense on Thornton.
    I mean, what can you really do about a player or two shooting lights out from three like that? Most of Thornton and Thomas' shots were off screens, fade-aways, or contested. Also, there was A LOT of switching going on. George, Hill, Granger, and Watson bears just as much responsibility for defending Thorton and Thomas last night, as each took turns getting torched until the 4th quarter.

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    I mean, what can you really do about a player or two shooting lights out from three like that? Most of Thornton and Thomas' shots were off screens, fade-aways, or contested. Also, there was A LOT of switching going on. George, Hill, Granger, and Watson bears just as much responsibility for defending Thorton and Thomas last night, as each took turns getting torched until the 4th quarter.
    pretty much. no one could stop anyone. it was very frustrating to watch Thomas get a screen and just shoot over Roy over and over. Or for Thorton to get two screens as he ran around the court and got enough space to launch a three that was going in all night long.

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    24/10/6 is praise worthy. Lance's defense wasn't much worse than Paul or Roy's last night. They all played poor on that end.

    I know you put a ton of value on Roy, but games like these are the reason I have my doubts about paying Roy any more than he's currently making. Too often he disappears offensively and on the boards, and I'm not sure I'd be willing to throw 18m at him, or whatever it is he'll be eligible to make, if it means losing a future All-Star wing combo. I love Roy but 18m is too much.
    Soooo we should over pay and re-sign Lance at whatever it takes, yet we should not re-sign Roy to a max extension? There isn't anyone in the league that we could possibly have that replaces what Roy gives us. Combo guards who are a dime a dozen in this league

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    I mean, what can you really do about a player or two shooting lights out from three like that? Most of Thornton and Thomas' shots were off screens, fade-aways, or contested. Also, there was A LOT of switching going on. George, Hill, Granger, and Watson bears just as much responsibility for defending Thorton and Thomas last night, as each took turns getting torched until the 4th quarter.
    True, but the game before that Gerald Green went off on Lance as well. Lance is inconsistent when it comes to his off the ball defense and he gives up a lot of open 3point looks. Last night was just an extreme case of this IMO.

    It's funny how when a player hits contested shots over GH or DG they're playing bad defense, but if it happens to Lance it's "well what us he supposed to do". Just an obsevation, not directly pointed to you Croz
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    Complete list of upcoming free agents per HoopsHype:

    http://hoopshype.com/free_agency/point_guards_2014.htm


    Stuckey is intriguing because he may be the very same type of player as Lance at less the cost.
    4. Rodney Stuckey Latest Rumors Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-5 / Team: Detroit 14 ppg, 2.2 apg Has bounced back a bit following a bunch of disappointing seasons. Would he flourish in a better situation? - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/free_agency/poi....i2OOFbEF.dpuf


    For those willing to pay the market does that mean if one team with significant cap cash throws a MAX at lance that's what we should pay then due too one team overpaying?


    Love the idea of Hayward as well. Wonder what his market value is... tho it would not matter since Pacers do not pursue RFA's.

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    24/10/6 is praise worthy. Lance's defense wasn't much worse than Paul or Roy's last night. They all played poor on that end.

    I know you put a ton of value on Roy, but games like these are the reason I have my doubts about paying Roy any more than he's currently making. Too often he disappears offensively and on the boards, and I'm not sure I'd be willing to throw 18m at him, or whatever it is he'll be eligible to make, if it means losing a future All-Star wing combo. I love Roy but 18m is too much.
    I guess we just have a different opinion but I don't see Lance ever reaching the value that Roy has to this team. Our defense was bad last night but it was more our perimeter defense from my view. And yes Lance's defense wasn't any worse then Paul's but Roy made them into a jump shooting team and protected the paint well. In the end I'd rather pay Roy 18 mil then Lance more then 10 if we have to choose, and unfortunately we may have to.
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    I have to say, I'm pretty surprised at the results of this poll. I figured the majority of people would fall in the 10-12 million category. I really don't think this team will be able to keep Lance in that 8-10 million range. Someone is going to throw stupid money his way. It only takes one.
    I think you're right. I was a bit excited/irrational picking the 12-14M range. I think he's a notch lower and even on the low side of 10-12. But I am almost certain that he cracks 7 figures. Averaging around 10.5M/yr is about right. Only a handful of players have as many double doubles in the entire league. Not to mention him being a triple double threat on a regular basis.

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    I think you're right. I was a bit excited/irrational picking the 12-14M range. I think he's a notch lower and even on the low side of 10-12. But I am almost certain that he cracks 7 figures. Averaging around 10.5M/yr is about right. Only a handful of players have as many double doubles in the entire league. Not to mention him being a triple double threat on a regular basis.
    while true, there is still the question, what would Lance be like not on the Pacers? Our team is pretty much the perfect situation for him. He is able to play exactly how he wants to/is good at because of the pieces around him and the culture around him. To me this is the biggest reason the league GMs said between 7-9 mil. There are a lot of questions about Lance and what he would do on a team where he was more the focal point

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    Ok, I am now on the do whatever you can to keep Lance train
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    Ok, I am now on the do whatever you can to keep Lance train
    There are limits, but I would overpay for him into the 12M/yr territory. You need a certain level of talent to win it all. Look at all the teams in the past that won titles. Paul, Roy and friends will not get it done. It will take more extreme talent and Lance gives this team JUST what it needs. A medium sized wing who can handle the ball, create, rebound and do all the dirty work.

    Without Lance, we wouldn't have a chance.

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    There are limits, but I would overpay for him into the 12M/yr territory. You need a certain level of talent to win it all. Look at all the teams in the past that won titles. Paul, Roy and friends will not get it done. It will take more extreme talent and Lance gives this team JUST what it needs. A medium sized wing who can handle the ball, create, rebound and do all the dirty work.

    Without Lance, we wouldn't have a chance.
    Exactly.

    You still need offense to win a championship in this league. PG obviously gives us offense. Roy gives us offense at Miami, but often disappears throughout the season. Lance accounts for so much of this team's offense with his scoring and passing. Even on baskets where he doesn't get the assist, his passing is often what set the initial sequence of events in motion. At this point, this team would be significantly weakened without Lance.

    Roll with a PG/Hibbert/Lance core for the future and let the other chips fall where they may. We have a once in a lifetime opportunity to have an absolutely obscene wing duo in PG and Lance, two guys who are the exact same age and complement each other perfectly. If you let that get away, then there is really no point in owning a sports team. With Roy, we will always have the suffocating interior defense which alters shots and changes how our opponents play. With those three guys, we'll be an elite team for many years to come. West will get old and need to be replaced some day. We might not be able to keep Hill forever. But we'll be fine as long as we have PG/Hibbert/Lance.

    It's inarguable that losing Lance would immediately make the Pacers a significantly less talented team. No one on the team can come close to creating and passing like he does. You can't teach the skills he has. Also, we can't just count on the Eastern Conference being weak forever. If Rose ever stays healthy (obviously no guarantee), then that team will still have to be dealt with. Plus teams can always pop up out of nowhere. 3-4 years ago, not many people would have predicted that the Pacers would erupt so quickly. And don't forget about the Celtics in 2007. Overnight, they built a championship team by acquiring KG and Ray Allen. It's rare for teams to pull a move out like that, but it can happen. Ainge has obviously proven that he can do it and Boston once again has a lot of assets. Therefore, the Pacers need to be as loaded as possible.

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