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    The bold times 10. David West, at nearly 34, is being paid 12M/yr. Yes, he's worth that. Lance's value is in that neighborhood. Goodness gracious we paid Troy Murphy about that much to help win 40% of our games.
    We paid Troy Murphy that to get someone to take Stephen Jackson.

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    Anyone who would rather have Scola than Lance needs their head checked.
    That is not the real question any more in this discussion.

    If push comes to shove...would you rather rather part with Scola OR GH in order to keep Lance?

    My initial answer is Scola cuz I don't think that the Cap situation will be good enough to get a Quality Starter with the remaining $$$.

    However, I cannot provide a real answer to this question without knowing what the Cap situation will be assuming if GH is somehow ( magically IMHO ) sent to another Team without getting any Salary Back ( while IMHO likely costing assets that we can no longer afford to lose...like future draft picks or Solo ). If GH's salary is somehow removed from the Salary Cap equation....do we have enough to sign another Starter Quality Player ( whether it be Granger or someone else ) with the remaining $$$ before hitting the LT? If the answer is that we'd have less then the full MLE....then I'd rather dump Scola, keep GH and then sign a Backup PF with the remaining $$$ left on the books to sign before hitting the LT.

    To me, it's easier to replace a backup Player than it is a Starter.

    EDIT - here is my calculations:

    Dump GH / Keep Scola:

    Assuming the following:

    - No Players are traded EXCEPT for GH and that some Trade is worked out where NO 2014-2015 Salary is taken back.
    - The option to pick up Sloan and OJs contract is made ( they earn the vet minimum...so no point to cut them )

    The Pacers would have roughly $60 mil in guaranteed Salary owed to 10 Players. That would mean that the Pacers would have about $15.7 mil to spend before going into the LT.

    If Lance goes for $12 mil ( let's hope a worse case scenario ), that would mean that the Pacers have about $3.7 mil to sign 2 Players....one of which can be a Starter.....unless someone from the 2nd unit is bumped up to the Starting lineup ( maybe Solo, OJ or CJ ).

    Dump Scola / Keep GH:

    - Assuming that Scola's unguaranteed contract is not picked up.....all that will be owed him and go towards the 2014-2015 books is the $940,906 that is owed to him. The $940,906 ( I assume ) will count towards the 2014-2015 Salary Cap.
    - The option to pick up Sloan and OJs contract is made ( they earn the vet minimum...so no point to cut them )

    The Pacers would have roughly $64 mil in guaranteed Salary owed to 10 Players. That would mean that the Pacers would have about $11.7 mil to spend before going into the LT.

    Assuming that 2 Veteran Players are signed at $850k each ( which has to be done ), that would mean that the MAX that the Pacers could offer him is a Contract that has a 2014-2015 Salary that STARTS at roughly $10 mil ( NOTE - a 2014-2015 Salary that starts at $10 mil does not immediately translate into a $40 mil contract....the Pacers can offer higher raises per year...so the Total Contract offer would be more than $40 mil TOTAL ).
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    Another thing that needs to be considered more than it already is: Paul George can play just as well at the 2 as he can at the 3. If Lance does go bye-bye, we should also be thinking about potential SMALL FORWARDS to bring in. It doesn't have to be about keeping Danny.

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    The bottom line is that Lance is becoming a star. You don't let budding stars get away. Having a wing duo of PG and Lance is a once in a lifetime opportunity for a franchise.

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    We paid Troy Murphy that to get someone to take Stephen Jackson.
    True. MDJ too. But we also paid Croshere something like that. The point is, we've had some incredibly bad contracts and a couple slightly overpaid guys are not going to hurt this franchise. The bench can be filled with decent talent on the cheap. What we cannot afford is to lose perhaps our 3rd most valuable player. That is who I think Lance is or will soon become.

    The more I look at the salaries on the team, the more I know he is cracking 7 figures and will be paid roughly 42M over 4 years.

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    Anyone who would rather have Scola than Lance needs their head checked.
    Anyone that wants to pay Lance a contract that's equal to, or worth more than Steph Curry and Tony Parker needs their head examined.

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    The bottom line is that Lance is becoming a star. You don't let budding stars get away. Having a wing duo of PG and Lance is a once in a lifetime opportunity for a franchise.
    This Lance situation reminds me a bit of the Jalen Rose situation. A player that had been a fringe player earlier in his career, turned into a valuable role player for a winning team, and then all of a sudden replaced an injured starter and became a good player during his contract year. His skills perfectly complimented the rest of the starters while giving them something they lacked.

    A lot like Rose did with that pacer team, I think Lance's skills make him much more effective here than he would elsewhere. Not to say he wouldn't put up numbers elsewhere (again comparing him to Jalen who put up nice stats on losing teams in Chi and TOR) just that he wouldn't be a part of a winning team if he were the #1 or #2 option on a team night in and night out. When you're talking about paying a guy 12mil plus a yr, you're talking about a #1 or #2 option night in and night out. Lance isn't that right now.
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    Anyone that wants to pay Lance a contract that's equal to, or worth more than Steph Curry and Tony Parker needs their head examined.
    The alternative to not re-signing Lance is re-sign Granger and whatever Free Agent that we can afford before going over the LT.

    EDIT - Apologies....my calculations were totally off. I have revised my post below.

    The Pacers 2014-2015 Salary Cap will be $68 mil owed to 11 Players with $7.7 mil to spend before hitting the LT..

    I have no idea how much Granger is going to go for.....but I'm beginning to think that the best that we can hope for is to re-sign at $5 to 6 mil and then sign some FA at $1 to 2 mil while signing our 2nd round draft pick.

    Seriously.....unless some miracle happens where Copeland is traded in the next 3 weeks...there is a very strong possibility that Granger + cheap FA is going to be the best that we can do.
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    What am I willing to see the Pacers pay to keep Lance.... what ever Larry feels is right for the team.
    Agreed. I believe Legend has made clear his expectations. Lets quickly revisit.

    The question that gets asked the most by fans now is, how do you keep Lance? Are you confident you can re-sign Lance? That you'll have the money to do it?

    I never worry about that. If Lance isn't here, we'll plug somebody else in. Obviously I think this is the best situation for Lance. I worry about if Lance leaves here. This environment is absolutely perfect for him. Players know his little games. Lance is always energetic. He's always at another level. He likes to mess around in practice. Guys understand that here. It's not a bad thing, he's just energetic. He wants to go 100 miles an hour every time. Lance falls on the court and acts like he's been shot. Guys will walk by and tell him to get up. So this is the best environment for Lance.

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/q-and-larry-bird-2013

    I am okay with losing Lance if it means we can keep Scola Danny and add one more player to replace Lance. My hunch / hope is Danny will not get paid more than an MLE (5M). How many GM's are going to trust his knees for a long term contract. Even a contract say like DWEST signed at 2 years is very questionable considering its a degenerative condition if I remember correctly. Additionally, I believe Danny wants to be here. He realizes he has limited years left and I believe he wants to win above all else. He has rec'd his contract. Scola and Danny could be right around 9-10 M if Lance is not re-signed that allows us to bring another player in as well. For example, a Jamal Crawford or Kyle Korver type.

    We kinda already got the ring chasers except these guys still have spring left when you are comparing them to say a Ray Allen type player. I would be very content with Scola and DWEST as the PF combo for an additional 2-3 seasons. and if Danny has that remaining in his knees at around 4 M per for a player wanting to win above all else, I think it gives us a better chance to win a championship.

    Would Lance lead the league in trip dubbs if the bench were still DJ, Hansbrough, OJ, and Solo Hill?


    Bird said it best. This is the perfect situation for Lance. However, if he wants to get paid over winning then more power to him. I am very confident a Danny Granger @ around 80% of what he once was can replace Lance, not in the same way but overall. Keep Luis and as Bird stated bring someone else in.

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    I'm not trying to be a buzzkill or a dick or anything but I'm just kinda over "HOW WE GONNA PAY LANCE?!" I'm just gonna enjoy what we have right now and worry about it when the time comes, it's a pretty nice problem to have.

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    I'm not sure Cable how you can think it would cost the Pacers assets to move Hill. He's hardly some albatross. But the fact of the matter for us is that currently he's the 7th banana making 8 mil a year for a small market, just not an efficient use of cap.

    Moving him would give us a great shot at bringing back Danny AND Lance who combine to do Hill's two primary jobs much better than he does.

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    Agreed. I believe Legend has made clear his expectations. Lets quickly revisit.
    I am okay with losing Lance if it means we can keep Scola Danny and add one more player to replace Lance. My hunch / hope is Danny will not get paid more than an MLE (5M). How many GM's are going to trust his knees for a long term contract. Even a contract say like DWEST signed at 2 years is very questionable considering its a degenerative condition if I remember correctly. Additionally, I believe Danny wants to be here. He realizes he has limited years left and I believe he wants to win above all else. He has rec'd his contract. Scola and Danny could be right around 9-10 M if Lance is not re-signed that allows us to bring another player in as well. For example, a Jamal Crawford or Kyle Korver type.
    We kinda already got the ring chasers except these guys still have spring left when you are comparing them to say a Ray Allen type player. I would be very content with Scola and DWEST as the PF combo for an additional 2-3 seasons. and if Danny has that remaining in his knees at around 4 M per for a player wanting to win above all else, I think it gives us a better chance to win a championship.
    Would Lance lead the league in trip dubbs if the bench were still DJ, Hansbrough, OJ, and Solo Hill?

    Bird said it best. This is the perfect situation for Lance. However, if he wants to get paid over winning then more power to him. I am very confident a Danny Granger @ around 80% of what he once was can replace Lance, not in the same way but overall. Keep Luis and as Bird stated bring someone else in.
    Exactly, I can't believe how many people are completely ignoring what Bird said a few weeks ago. People can say he's going to make 12-14 mil and that we have to do whatever it takes to keep him but none of that matters. Bird has already told us what he's going to do. He'll give him a fair offer and if he's outbid then he feels that the team will be fine in moving on. I'm sure he wasn't thinking 12 mil to max when he said that.

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    I'm willing to see the Pacers pay whatever the market says is Lance's price.
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    I'm not sure Cable how you can think it would cost the Pacers assets to move Hill. He's hardly some albatross.
    GH is owed $8 mil per year over the next 3 seasons. I can see the argument that a Team would be willing to simply send Draft picks to take on a Quality Starting Combo-Guard at a very reasonable Contract....or a very expensive 6th Man / 1st guard off the bench.

    However, I will stick to my minority opinion that I think that it is difficult to move Players with long-term contracts under the new CBA without losing some assets.

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    But the fact of the matter for us is that currently he's the 7th banana making 8 mil a year for a small market, just not an efficient use of cap.
    Can you clarify what you mean by saying that GH is the 7th banana on the Team? Does that mean that he's the 7th scoring option on the Team?

    As for paying a Starting Quality Combo-Guard $8 mil a year.....find me another Starting Combo-Guard ( or a PG or SG ) at that price.

    To me, having a Starter like GH at his price is an efficient use of Cap Space.

    IMHO....$7 to 9 mil is the going rate for a Non-All Star Starting Guard. One may hate that he's on the high end of the scale.....but that is the going rate for such a Player.

    Find me a Starting Quality Combo-Guard ( that is not on his rookie Contract ) that is paid in that price range ( give or take a mil ). while adding in that this Player has to be able to run the point, play a good majority of his minutes "off-the-ball" and not become completely ineffective when the Player doesn't have the ball in his hand.
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    Moving him would give us a great shot at bringing back Danny AND Lance who combine to do Hill's two primary jobs much better than he does.
    Based off of my calculations....unless Granger wants to re-sign with the Pacers for less than $2 to 3 mil a year ( depending on how much Lance takes )....letting GH while getting back nothing will only allow them to keep Lance...but not both Granger and Lance.

    I know that GH has become the Scapegoat for this year and that it's a matter of opinion as to how he contributes to the Team.....so I will just agree to disagree.
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    I'm not trying to be a buzzkill or a dick or anything but I'm just kinda over "HOW WE GONNA PAY LANCE?!" I'm just gonna enjoy what we have right now and worry about it when the time comes, it's a pretty nice problem to have.
    I am beginning to come to the realization that this year will be the only year where we can "enjoy" this ride. This season...it's Championship or Bust.....cuz I think that there is a very good possibility that the roster next season will be dramatically different than this season.
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    Assuming that 2 Veteran Players are signed at $850k each ( which has to be done ), that would mean that the MAX that the Pacers could offer him is a Contract that has a 2014-2015 Salary that STARTS at roughly $10 mil ( NOTE - a 2014-2015 Salary that starts at $10 mil does not immediately translate into a $40 mil contract....the Pacers can offer higher raises per year...so the Total Contract offer would be more than $40 mil TOTAL ).
    The above assumption is based off of letting Scola go.

    Can someone calculate what the total contract is for Lance if he gets a 4 or 5 year contract offer starting at $10 mil in 2014-2015 ( assuming that he receives the Pacers higher raise percentages )?

    Are we looking at some $42 mil total contract offer ( over 4 years ) or some $54 mil total contract ( over 5 years )?
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    We can already keep Lance up to a certain price point so I'm not sure what your calculations are. Saving another 6.5-8 mil would be huge.

    As for finding "another George Hill" we don't need to which is the point. He's already replaced in one aspect or another in house. He's also just flat out less valuable then Lance. Or Scola. Or Danny. That's what is meant by 7th banana. 7th most important. 7th best. He might be the best 7th best man in the league but at 8 mil bumping up against the LT, I think it's pretty obvious who should go. Scola is more important now and next year, so is David, obviously so is Lance.

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    Backup PFs ARE everywhere. Scola is a great one and would be a starter on a bad team. But my goodness, if the Pacers chose to keep two declining players on the wrong side of 30 over a dynamic, improving 23-year-old...I don't know where to start. It wouldn't be keeping Kendrick Perkins over James Harden bad, but it would be in the same category.

    I LIKE SCOLA. I swear I do. I would keep him and let Lance walk if he commanded more than $12 M. But if the options are keeping a freaking backup PF and a 1-time All Star with surgically repaired knees that's notorious for slow starts over a shooting guard whose presence has helped create one of the best starting lineups in the NBA over the last two years and continues to improve, you keep the shooting guard. You keep the shooting guard if you want to compete now and long-term.

    The Spurs have been playing fat Boris Diaw and Matt Bonner at backup PF and they seem to be doing OK.


    You never addressed my questions.



    I don't care about what the Spurs do as they don't have the name Pacers across the front of their uni. With Bonner and Diaw as b/u PF, you really think the Spurs will win a championship? If you do I have a piece of ocean front property in Brown County to sell you.

    If you want to go back to years past type of b/u PF's, and just win 50 games then fine. Personally, I've given 40 years of loyalty to the Pacers, and I want a CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!

    I'm not saying Scola is the answer to a championship, but he's an intregal part of making a strong bench which what the Pacers need to win a championship. That's why Bird upon returning strenghtened the bench! He knows a player like Scola is vital to succeed otherwise he'd have just keep Tyler.

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    The bold times 10. David West, at nearly 34, is being paid 12M/yr. Yes, he's worth that. Lance's value is in that neighborhood.

    Goodness gracious we paid Troy Murphy about that much to help win 40% of our games.

    The Pacers NEVER signed Murphy or Dunleavy to those contracts as GS did. They inherited them thru a trade. AND YES THEY WERE OVERPAID thanks to a poor GM in Mullins.

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    Last night was another good example of why I don't want to give up a rare gold coin just so we have enough room in our pockets for a few dimes.

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    If Scola keeps playing like he has been recently, of course you get rid of him to keep Lance. Lance, Roy, Paul. Build around them. We will be idiots to let a budding star walk so we can keep Luis Effin' Scola.

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    The bottom line is that Lance is becoming a star. You don't let budding stars get away. Having a wing duo of PG and Lance is a once in a lifetime opportunity for a franchise.
    I truly understand, BUT can you afford to mortgage the farm to keep Stephenson and lose Hibbert? Go back to a bench of the last 2 years? If you lose Hibbert, who do you replace him with? If it comes down to backing up a Brinks truck to pay Stephenson and losing Hibbert, you keep your "D" stalwart who makes the Pacers "D" what it is. You lose Hibbert, then Hill, Lance, etc "D" will show it really wasn't that good. Hibbert makes the Pacers "D" what it is! Centers don't grow on trees, nor are they a dime a dozen like SG's.

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    We aren't going to lose Hibbert. We are going to not be able to pay a power forward $12m a year and a point guard $8m a year. That is what we will be losing.

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    Personally, I doubt Bird would've returned without some promises from Simon about spending money for a championship run. They probably compromised on the scenario it would happen but I seriously doubt we break up a championship contending team by letting the key pieces walk because their market value is too much. You also have to consider how much a championship is worth in ticket sales, merch, concessions, and PR. You don't go intentionally knocking yourself backwards. Of course you have to take a realistic look at the pieces you have, who is replaceable and who is not.

    Granger is fairly pedestrian right now so he's not in line for a payday nor is he likely any sort of legitimate backup plan either. Scola has been playing great off the bench but the last couple of games have been anything but great for him. You have to assume he gets back to where he was but the point is he has to do it on the floor. That is the same for anyone. You go in a slump you better find your way out of it.

    So I don't expect the Pacers to hand out contracts based on the name on the back of the jersey but instead based on the contributions on the court versus replaceability. But I do think we'll keep the important pieces together and pay what the market says we need to pay. Otherwise I don't think we'd have seen Bird return. IMHO.
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    It's not the last couple of games for Scola. It's the last month. He's shooting below 40% in January. He's becoming a real problem.

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