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    “The extra point is almost automatic,” Goodell said. “I believe we had five missed extra points this year out of 1,200 some odd (1,256-for-1,261, to be precise). So it’s a very small fraction of the play, and you want to add excitement with every play. There’s one proposal in particular that I’ve heard about. It’s automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point, either by running or passing the ball, so if you fail, you go back to six.”

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    How soon can Goodell be replaced?
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    I swear he just wants to make changes for the sake of change.

    So not necessary

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    Default Re: Roger Goodell: NFL will explore eliminating the extra point

    PATs help kickers' confidence?



    On the other hand, how many injuries on PATs?

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    Default Re: Roger Goodell: NFL will explore eliminating the extra point

    How many ways can they find the ruin the NFL.....jeez.

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    The NFL cares so much about player safety and concussions. Not like they want to expand to 18 games and "evaluate" instituting a rewarding 100% effort play.

    This won't ever happen so who cares, but the hypocrisy is hilarious.

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    Extra points are a massive waste of time for everyone.

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    I don't think it's that bad. The proposal mentioned above is not bad either. Makes sense. Will you be pissed off if they eliminate them and instead reward 7 points right away?
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    People actually care about the extra point? It is such a boring play that is just an automatic point for the team. There were only 5 misses all season in over 1200 extra points this season. If they got rid of the extra point and made everyone just go for two I would be a little sad because I would miss my bathroom/drink break, but at least it would make it more interesting.

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    People actually care about the extra point? It is such a boring play that is just an automatic point for the team. There were only 5 misses all season in over 1200 extra points this season. If they got rid of the extra point and made everyone just go for two I would be a little sad because I would miss my bathroom/drink break, but at least it would make it more interesting.

    It just seems kind of pointless to make the change I mean some things are best left the way they are unless they are just going to give an automatic 7 after a touchdown.

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    I would agree it's small potatoes, but if we take tradition out of the equation let's look at the pros and cons:

    Pros to keeping
    Five games that are affected a little bit by a missed extra point
    The ability to fake an extra point and try a two point conversion (happens very occasionally)

    Pros to changing
    Almost every game is 5 to 10 minutes shorter
    Marginal injury benefit (Gronkowski of course was hurt on an extra point, wasn't a Colts lineman hurt on an extra point against Denver this year?)

    I'd rather have the second grouping, but the pros and cons are all so tiny that I don't really care one way or the other. Eliminating the extra point wouldn't really change the sport at all. Moving it back as some have suggested as an alternative would change it quite a bit because then some teams would start going for more two point conversions.

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    Default Re: Roger Goodell: NFL will explore eliminating the extra point

    I think the extra point is a waste of time, and it is also silly to worry much about changing a waste of time.

    I do hate extra points though, just another 2 or 3 minutes of downtime between the TD and the KO.

    Just make them automatic and make 2 pt conversions into 1 pt conversions.

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    I would agree it's small potatoes, but if we take tradition out of the equation let's look at the pros and cons:

    Pros to keeping
    Five games that are affected a little bit by a missed extra point
    The ability to fake an extra point and try a two point conversion (happens very occasionally)

    Pros to changing
    Almost every game is 5 to 10 minutes shorter
    Marginal injury benefit (Gronkowski of course was hurt on an extra point, wasn't a Colts lineman hurt on an extra point against Denver this year?)

    I'd rather have the second grouping, but the pros and cons are all so tiny that I don't really care one way or the other. Eliminating the extra point wouldn't really change the sport at all. Moving it back as some have suggested as an alternative would change it quite a bit because then some teams would start going for more two point conversions.
    Pretty much sums it up. If they are worried about injuries, just put the long snapper, holder and kicker out there. That way it isn't technically automatic, but there is no chance for injuries.
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    The NFL cares so much about player safety and concussions. Not like they want to expand to 18 games and "evaluate" instituting a rewarding 100% effort play.

    This won't ever happen so who cares, but the hypocrisy is hilarious.
    Players hypocrisy is much much funnier. They ***** and moan about safety rules, and then sue the league for being unsafe. They stop with the lawsuits, you'll see the NFL stop with the rule changes. The NFL is trying to save their money.
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    They ***** and moan about safety rules
    they do? you're really gonna put on a cape for the NFL brass on this? they didn't sue the league for being "unsafe," that's a gross misrepresentation of the lawsuits.

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    Default Re: Roger Goodell: NFL will explore eliminating the extra point

    I say make PATS one play from the two yard line for one point. No kicks or 2 pointers.

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    Default Re: Roger Goodell: NFL will explore eliminating the extra point

    not gonna happen. they always say some dumb **** like this just for the sake of saying it.

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    they do? you're really gonna put on a cape for the NFL brass on this? they didn't sue the league for being "unsafe," that's a gross misrepresentation of the lawsuits.
    I'm not an NFL brass fan, nor a NFLPA fan.

    But I'm not misrepresenting it.
    More than 4,500 former athletes -- some suffering from dementia, depression or Alzheimer's that they blamed on blows to the head -- had sued the league, accusing it of concealing the dangers of concussions and rushing injured players back onto the field while glorifying and profiting from the kind of bone-jarring hits that make for spectacular highlight-reel footage.
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ncussions-suit

    And yet you have the players union battling the NFL when they hand out fines/suspensions for illegal hits , like James Harrison.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ension-stands/

    So when the NFL puts rules in place so they don't glorify the bone-jarring hits, they get told how they're ruining the league, how players can't play with such a small target area, etc. Basically, players want the NFL to pick up the tab on injuries while not bending their behavior to lower the possibilty of injuries. Either they're (NLFPA) for allowing players to play the way they want, or they're for player safety. Can't have it both ways.

    The funniest part is that the NFLPA thinks fining players who disregard the concussion protocol is out of bounds. Their solution? Fine the teams. Personal responsibility has been completely lost.

    But this is for another day. The only thing I like about the proposal is the saving of 10-15mins, but that's small peanuts.
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    I'm not an NFL brass fan, nor a NFLPA fan.

    But I'm not misrepresenting it.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ncussions-suit

    And yet you have the players union battling the NFL when they hand out fines/suspensions for illegal hits , like James Harrison.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ension-stands/

    So when the NFL puts rules in place so they don't glorify the bone-jarring hits, they get told how they're ruining the league, how players can't play with such a small target area, etc. Basically, players want the NFL to pick up the tab on injuries while not bening their behavior to lower the possibilty of injuries.

    When you're young, you want to play and get paid. When you're old, you want to still get paid. Hence the lawsuits.

    I'm not saying that I don't feel sorry for these older players who have serious problems, but I doubt that a single one of them would have stopped playing even if they knew the risks. Even with all of the risks that we know today, do you ever see a highly touted college player who is about to get drafted decide to quit the game and forfeit the money? Of course not. When you're young, you want to play and make the money. You'll worry about other stuff later on.

    Even though I'm not a fan of Goodell, I do understand that the league had to do something when it was getting it's *** sued all over the place.

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    People actually care about the extra point? It is such a boring play that is just an automatic point for the team. There were only 5 misses all season in over 1200 extra points this season. If they got rid of the extra point and made everyone just go for two I would be a little sad because I would miss my bathroom/drink break, but at least it would make it more interesting.
    As someone who watched the XFL... That rule would be bad.

    For example if both teams scored two touchdowns and one of the teams missed the conversions, they would be down another touchdown...
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    See the problem I have with this is, sure it almost automatic. But only because when its not teams just go for two. In really crappy weather such as the Lions/Eagles game they didn't attempt a single one IIRC

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    Maybe Goodell could look at some other plays in football and see what their success rate is. Then give the team the option of calling those plays, telling the ref, and then take an automatic gain on the play rather than actually play the down and gamble the play will go for more than the average.

    Or maybe we can have offensive and defensive team captains that will tell the ref their play call before the play.

    You know... If the PAT is too automatic for Goodell's senses then why not do something to simply make it more difficult and less automatic? Give teams a reason to consider a 2pt try versus a PAT kick. Of course you have to be careful, you want the 2pt try to be riskier. You don't want to make teams decide the 2pointer is the better option than a 1 pointer.... Much like the dreaded debate about whether it's acceptable to shoot 33.3% from 3 versus 50% from 2 in basketball.

    Honestly... the PAT SHOULD be almost automatic. That's why there's a risk going for 2 versus taking the safer 1pt play. You make the PAT anything less than almost automatic and all of a sudden the 2 point try starts looking better to teams. OTOH, when the argument is that a PAT kick is ALMOST automatic is pretty much kills the argument itself. 'Almost' isn't 'automatic'!

    Just 'giving' teams that 1 point avoids the scenario of having the PAT be difficult to the point of making the risk of a 2 pointer look better, but then requires a team to take points off the board to go for 2. That just seems odd.
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    When a touchdown is scored we now have...

    automatic review
    extra point, with 99.6% success rate
    commercial break
    kickoff that will be a touchback, most likely
    another commercial break

    then football begins again, after the 10 minutes of nothingness

    So I would be OK making some modifications to shorten that interval or to make something in there worth watching.
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    Maybe Goodell could look at some other plays in football and see what their success rate is. Then give the team the option of calling those plays, telling the ref, and then take an automatic gain on the play rather than actually play the down and gamble the play will go for more than the average.

    Or maybe we can have offensive and defensive team captains that will tell the ref their play call before the play.

    You know... If the PAT is too automatic for Goodell's senses then why not do something to simply make it more difficult and less automatic? Give teams a reason to consider a 2pt try versus a PAT kick. Of course you have to be careful, you want the 2pt try to be riskier. You don't want to make teams decide the 2pointer is the better option than a 1 pointer.... Much like the dreaded debate about whether it's acceptable to shoot 33.3% from 3 versus 50% from 2 in basketball.

    Honestly... the PAT SHOULD be almost automatic. That's why there's a risk going for 2 versus taking the safer 1pt play. You make the PAT anything less than almost automatic and all of a sudden the 2 point try starts looking better to teams. OTOH, when the argument is that a PAT kick is ALMOST automatic is pretty much kills the argument itself. 'Almost' isn't 'automatic'!

    Just 'giving' teams that 1 point avoids the scenario of having the PAT be difficult to the point of making the risk of a 2 pointer look better, but then requires a team to take points off the board to go for 2. That just seems odd.
    Agreed

    or make the PAT harder (move it back to the 30 yard line). Lord knows, the Redskins would never kick a PAT. Im not sure we can make one past 10 yards....

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    When a touchdown is scored we now have...

    automatic review
    extra point, with 99.6% success rate
    commercial break
    kickoff that will be a touchback, most likely
    another commercial break

    then football begins again, after the 10 minutes of nothingness

    So I would be OK making some modifications to shorten that interval or to make something in there worth watching.
    You just convinced the NFL not to do this.

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