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    Itís just really hard to do these anymore because when things are going this well honestly what is there to say? If I could figure out how to get that damn dog smoking the cigar to post on here without it showing up as just an image I would just post it and say thatís that. But for whatever reason I canít get it to post right.

    So Iíll just have to try and come up with something objective.

    I guess if we need to critically evaluate something Iíll just say this and see where it goes.

    Lance Stephenson is going to get paid. I donít know how much or by whom but he is going to get paid. Those of you thinking that he is in the George Hill range better think again, some team is going to back the truck up to him.

    Now are the Pacers that team? I hope so, but depending on how high we are talking. Every game he plays this good he is putting himself higher and higher on the pay scale and if he makes the all-star team?

    But thatís for the brass upstairs to figure out and right now we donít have to concern ourselves with it and just hope that we can harness all of his good mojo to take us over the top this summer.

    Should we look critically at David Westís elbow to Blake Griffinís head? I vote no. In fact if anything we should chastise him for getting tossed without getting in a better shot than that. Look Griffin and Jordan both flail their arms about freely when they jump and itís a little disgusting that the refs. let them get by with it as much as they do, Jordan in particular. Also Iím never opposed to a player standing up for himself so IMO let the good times roll.

    Now do I think it will cost West a game? My honest opinion is no, this was nothing and ended up with not harm to anyone. Now of course after the game BillS was convinced that Stern will want to give a parting shot to the Pacers so he was ranging between 2-5 games. Iím still of the belief that he will get off with time served.

    I was saying a few games ago that we were struggling because our best player was struggling and felt that once he got back online our struggles would end.

    He struggles no more and thus the constant pounding we have been giving opponents at home. Paul was just on absolute fire and I felt like he could have had someone come out and hold the ball on a T like for a field goal in football and Paul could have kicked the ball in.

    Not to mention that dunk. Iím not going to comment on it because everyone else has but I want to make this one point about it. The Clippers as a team make the highlight reel because of their dunks and Jordan would have had the dunk of the game with that high flyer he put in from Griffin. However thanks to Paul Georgeís dunk anything the Clippers did will be in absolute obscurity and I have a feeling that Paul did that on purpose.

    Iím really remiss in putting this down this low but Roy starting off the game with 5 blocks in 8 minutes actually set the tone for the entire game and made the Clippers guards and wings pull up for jumpers and had their big men looking over their shoulders the rest of the night. In other words all by himself Roy changed that game in the first quarter.

    But to make matters even more precarious for the Clippers when Paul & Roy went to the bench, they not only could not make any in roads they actually dug a bigger deficit. Between Stephenson, Watson, Scola & Granger the Clippers second unit had no chance and in fact had to play Griffin & Jordan more min. than I think they normally play in the 2nd quarter.

    Okay a statement and then a hypothetical question.

    Statement. Doc Rivers is over rated as a coach. Before Ainge built the big 3 in Boston Rivers was just another former player who had a pedestrian record as a coach. It was not horrid mind you but it was certainly not the winning % he would be known for once he got Garnett, Pierce & Allen. Iím not saying he is a bad coach btw, Iím just saying his reputation exceeds his results, but thatís just my opinion.

    Question. Now your going to have to go with me on this and let your mind let loose negative possibilities. For the sake of this question you have to allow yourself to pretend that we will win a title and next season we will compete for another title (whether we win next year is not important).

    If the Pacers win a title this year and are once again one of the top teams all of next season and get to the finals does David West have his number retired as a Pacer?

    Again donít argue if we do or donít win, for this question letís say we do.

    BTW, full disclosure this question was Diamond Daveís question.

    Letís do some Grades.

    Paul George: A+++

    MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP, MVP!!!!!

    David West: C

    The pro: was a man
    The Conís: If youíre going to go out for Godís sake go out on something more than that
    Pro Tip: Heís a Baaaaaaaaaad Man

    Roy Hibbert: A

    Donít get me wrong in truth he really didnít have a great game, he got out played by Jordan for the most part and nobody is really talking about his 2-11 shooting. All of that would normally make him have a much lower score. But his rim defense to start the game was just monstrous and that alone merits this high of a grade.

    Lance Stephenson: A

    Mark Boyle tweeted it best tonight when he said employee # 1 is the human equivalent of Tobasco Sauce. I know that many people donít like his antics and Iím sure that Uncle Buck shakes his head in disapproval several times a game but dang it heís fun. Heís fun to watch, heís fun to root for and most of all heís just that good of a player. People getting on him for talking and acting out better not be the same people who cheered on Uncle Reggie over the years because I can tell you flat out that whatever Lance has done Reggie did it before but he probably did it louder and with more flair.

    George Hill: B+

    Great defense all game long however I would like to see him get up more shots in a game than 5. But on a team like ours itís just impossible for everyone to get equal touches and someone is always going to sacrifice and George is really good about doing this. Heís usually ready when we need him.

    Luis Scola: B+

    Got into some foul trouble and had a little bit of a hard time guarding Griffin due to Blakeís flailing. But did hit his free throws (just like the rest of the team) and did okay on the glass. Itís a really nice thing to know that when West goes out that Scola is the next man up, Blake just isnít the best match up for him.

    Danny Granger: B+

    If only he didnít miss so many shots. Where Roy Hibbert started the game off closing out the Clippers I think Danny actually put the nail in the coffin because once Luis went to the bench they thought that getting Griffin in the post on Granger was going to be money. Well they wrote a check they couldnít cash. Blake could not back Danny down and once Danny slapped the ball out of bounds on a post up, Doc called a timeout and went ballistic on his team and from there on it just seemed they kind of packed it in for the night. Danny is much stronger than he looks and playing 4 is not new to him. I just wish he could get his shot to drop at a higher %. Also did you see he now has played another game without a turnover?

    C.J. Watson: A

    As backup point guards go he is about ideal. Iíve said it before and Iíll say it again he is the best point guard we have had on our team other than for George Hill since Jamaal Tinsley was a rookie. In other words if Hill wasnít here he would be a our starting point and he would be better than any of our other point guards since 01.

    Ian Mahinmi: B

    Didnít take a shot but still had an impact on the game.

    Everybody else played garbage min and did what you would expect them to do.

    As I said it is very hard to write anything of substance when the team is playing at this level and right now there is no doubt in my mind that as of this very moment we are the best team in the league.

    I want Portland & OKC to come here right now so we can see how real their first wins were.

    Enjoy it folks, we lived in purgatory for a few years to get here.

    In honor of David West I present you Pantera.


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    It’s just really hard to do these anymore because when things are going this well honestly what is there to say? If I could figure out how to get that damn dog smoking the cigar to post on here without it showing up as just an image I would just post it and say that’s that. But for whatever reason I can’t get it to post right.
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    Lance is so cray and so paid.

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    Should we look critically at David Westís elbow to Blake Griffinís head? I vote no. In fact if anything we should chastise him for getting tossed without getting in a better shot than that. Look Griffin and Jordan both flail their arms about freely when they jump and itís a little disgusting that the refs. let them get by with it as much as they do, Jordan in particular. Also Iím never opposed to a player standing up for himself so IMO let the good times roll.

    Now do I think it will cost West a game? My honest opinion is no, this was nothing and ended up with not harm to anyone. Now of course after the game BillS was convinced that Stern will want to give a parting shot to the Pacers so he was ranging between 2-5 games. Iím still of the belief that he will get off with time served.


    I agree, this was not that bad.
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    Question. Now your going to have to go with me on this and let your mind let loose negative possibilities. For the sake of this question you have to allow yourself to pretend that we will win a title and next season we will compete for another title (whether we win next year is not important).

    If the Pacers win a title this year and are once again one of the top teams all of next season and get to the finals does David West have his number retired as a Pacer?

    Again don’t argue if we do or don’t win, for this question let’s say we do.

    BTW, full disclosure this question was Diamond Dave’s question.
    He should, but probably won't.
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    barbeque chicken I like that when a big man talks smack..." - Shaquille O'Neal

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    Me too! This is a dog?
    He isn't talking about his avatar, which is also smoking a cigar...but some interweb image...pretty sure.

    Good stuff, Peck. I woiuld give West an A, modified to a WD.

    I'd also give him his jersey in the rafters if we win the title, because it would be a BFreakinD.
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    Danny is much stronger than he looks and playing 4 is not new to him. I just wish he could get his shot to drop at a higher %.
    It would have been a bit higher if his last shot hadn't been waved off due to the 3 second call. The place was already going ballistic, that would have blown the top off.
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    Question. Now your going to have to go with me on this and let your mind let loose negative possibilities. For the sake of this question you have to allow yourself to pretend that we will win a title and next season we will compete for another title (whether we win next year is not important).

    If the Pacers win a title this year and are once again one of the top teams all of next season and get to the finals does David West have his number retired as a Pacer?

    Again donít argue if we do or donít win, for this question letís say we do.
    It's a somewhat borderline thing to think about because Pacers David West wasn't the best player and the All-star version was on the Hornets. But his entry has resulted in 2 consecutive playoff appearances for us and 1 ECF, and this season will be another playoff appearance for the team with him as the integral part of the line up. I guess what will cement his retirement as a Pacer will be his performance especially in the playoffs and the finals. Well, great players are defined on the playoffs so that's that I suppose.

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    It would have been a bit higher if his last shot hadn't been waved off due to the 3 second call. The place was already going ballistic, that would have blown the top off.
    That's three shots that I know of that Danny has made this season that have been waved off for other reasons.

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    Nice to read some Odd Thoughts again. I'm a huge West fan, but I don't think he'll get his digits retired. This franchise has clearly set an extremely high standard for retiring jerseys. We've had a pretty solid NBA history, but only one NBA player has ever seen their number retired. Rik Smits and Dale Davis each played an all star game for the Pacers and were huge cogs on teams that made multiple ECF's and an NBA Finals, but they didn't get their number retired. Mark Jackson was a fan favorite and key player, but he didn't get his jersey retired either.

    Now, if we win an NBA championship, then that will mean that this crew would have achieved more than the 90's teams and you'd have to factor that in. But I just don't think that West will have enough on his resume to justify a jersey retirement. At this point, it's more likely than not that he'll be the fourth best player on our playoff team behind PG/Lance/Hibbert. Certainly anything could happen in the playoffs and he could up his game above a couple of those guys, but it's probably not likely. Furthermore, West almost certainly will never make an all-star team in a Pacer jersey. Not the biggest deal in the world, but you gotta factor it in.

    I'm a huge fan of the guy and I firmly believe that the rise of Hibbert/PG/Lance was in large part because of the strong presences of West and Hill, but I just don't see the Pacers ever retiring his number. He's been a great addition though for multiple reasons, that's for sure. He really came up big last season when we were short on offense because of the loss of DG.

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    With 32 wins on January 18, we've now equaled the total number of wins from the 2009-10 season when we went 32-50.

    It's absolutely incredible how we've turned things around so drastically over the last four seasons. This franchise has completely been reborn. Who would have ever thought during that hideous 32-50 season that we'd be this great just four years later? I always had faith in Bird, but I couldn't have ever dreamed that it would work out this good. Four years ago was clouded with awful O'Brien coaching, Murphy/Dunleavy/Ford, and EARL WATSON starting 52 games. Yes, let me repeat: EARL WATSON stared 52 games for the Pacers four years ago. Things were so bad that fans were getting excited when Josh McRoberts had a decent game. Yikes, what a hideous season. That was maybe the most unwatchable season I remember as a Pacer fan. There was just nothing to get excited over. And it was just four years ago.

    Someone should write a book about this rebuilding job.

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    Some random tidbit: With win #32 this season, the Pacers have secured a winning home record. This is the 25th consecutive season the Pacers did that. And at the same time that is the longest home winning record streak of any NBA team. Nice job Pacers!

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    I've been to I think 15 Pacers games this year and only three have been single digits. The rest have all been Pacers blowouts. 20 point leads are routine now. At home, these guys, especially Lance, feed off the energy of the place and turn it into a performance. I can't wait to see what we do in the playoffs here.

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    I've been to I think 15 Pacers games this year and only three have been single digits. The rest have all been Pacers blowouts. 20 point leads are routine now. At home, these guys, especially Lance, feed off the energy of the place and turn it into a performance. I can't wait to see what we do in the playoffs here.
    Yeah, normally I feel like home court is a tad bit overrated if you're talking about a good/great team because those teams win on the road as well, but with this group we really do seem to take it to another level at home.

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    Lance Stephenson: A

    Mark Boyle tweeted it best tonight when he said employee # 1 is the human equivalent of Tobasco Sauce. I know that many people donít like his antics and Iím sure that Uncle Buck shakes his head in disapproval several times a game but dang it heís fun. Heís fun to watch, heís fun to root for and most of all heís just that good of a player. People getting on him for talking and acting out better not be the same people who cheered on Uncle Reggie over the years because I can tell you flat out that whatever Lance has done Reggie did it before but he probably did it louder and with more flair.
    Dang it, Peck. If there's one thing I hate, it's a hypocrite. Now, you've got me convinced I'm a bit hypocritical. I loved almost everything Reggie ever did on a court. I have been negative on some of Lance's antics, although I am starting to come around a bit on others. No matter what though, I appreciate and enjoy his passion.

    But there are things that separate Lance from those that came before him. For all the talk through the years about Lance getting his head screwed on right, I have absolutely no fears of Lance ever going after a fan, having to defend himself with a dust pan or giving some defenseless character a beat down at a strip club. Lance and I certainly come from different backgrounds, we even approach the game from different perspectives, but I'd be far more likely to offer him keys to our city than ever accepting of him playing anywhere else.

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    Yeah, normally I feel like home court is a tad bit overrated if you're talking about a good/great team because those teams win on the road as well, but with this group we really do seem to take it to another level at home.
    Yet somehow i go to the 1 home loss. Grumble

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    About Rivers as a coach, he seems to be a solid manager of personalities (which would come from his days as a middling point guard who had to cater to the likes of Dominique Wilkins in his prime) but I don't think he's going to consistently out-X's & O's playoff-caliber coaches.
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    About Rivers as a coach, he seems to be a solid manager of personalities (which would come from his days as a middling point guard who had to cater to the likes of Dominique Wilkins in his prime) but I don't think he's going to consistently out-X's & O's playoff-caliber coaches.
    Rivers is basically the definition of a player's coach.

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    I do think Rivers is a good coach, but he isn't a Greg Poppovich. I would take Vogel over him as well, but Vogel is the 2nd best coach imo
    Paul George for 3!

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    Lance is so cray and so paid.
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    I love David West but I don't think he gets his number retired. As others have said, the standards are set very high. The one thing I do know is that *if* the Pacers do win a championship, I'll never be able to look at that banner and not think of DWest. Since he's arrived here the Pacers attitude changed. We've became bullies and this year I think we really are the beasts of the east (or is it beasts of the least??).


    My favorite DWest memory is after won in Miami in game 2 a couple years ago and he was yelling at the younger guys to stop celebrating. That was the day I really appreciated West for more than his basketball ability.

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    I doubt DWest gets his jersey retired here, but he seems like a guy that could very easily get a job with the franchise after retiring. Coaching staff, broadcast, player development, anything.
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