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NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...r-without-pay/

    NFL Network suspends Darren Sharper without pay

    With former NFL player Darren Sharper being charged with suspicion of rape, his current employer has moved swiftly.

    “Darren has been suspended without pay until further notice, effective immediately,” NFL Network said in a statement issued to PFT. “Regarding the charges, as a matter of policy, we don’t comment on pending legal action.”

    Sharper, who spent 14 years with the Packers, Vikings, and Saints, has been working as an analyst for NFL Network.

    Free on $200,000 bail, Sharper reportedly faces allegations involving two incidents — one in October 2013 and one in January 2014.

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    Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

    http://www.wwltv.com/news/crime/NOPD...241009611.html

    NOPD investigating Sharper for alleged sexual assault


    Sharper arrested in Los Angeles on suspicion of rape

    NEW ORLEANS - The NOPD announced that it is investigating an alleged sexual assault complaint against former Saint Darren Sharper. The NOPD says the complaint was made on September 24.
    WWL-TV sources tell us the alleged incident occurred in the Warehouse District.
    Remi Braden, a spokesperson for the NOPD said, “as with every case alleging sexual assault, information gathered is extremely sensitive and the top priority of the detectives is to protect the person who filed the complaint. Because this is an on-going criminal investigation, we cannot provide additional information at this time.”
    The Orleans Parish District Attorney’s Office has also confirmed that it has received the official report from the New Orleans Police Department but that it is still investigating.

    "New Orleans police received a complaint from an alleged victim," said DA spokesman Chris Bowman. "The police referred the case to our office for consultation. The matter is currently under investigation and we will make no further comment on any matter under investigation."
    This information comes after Los Angeles County Detectives arrested Sharper Friday night on two sexual assault charges, according to TMZ who broke the story, the alleged assaults occurred in October of 2013 and January of 2014. Police arrested Sharper Friday night and he posted $200,000 bond and his next court appearance is in February.
    Sharper has been suspended indefinitely without pay from the NFL Network where he is a consultant. For one month in August of 2012, Sharper was an analyst for WWL-TV.

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      Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10...gation-sharper

      Police release report against Sharper

      NEW ORLEANS -- The New Orleans Police Department released a report Friday detailing the rape allegation against former NFL safety Darren Sharper.


      Former NFL safety Darren Sharper was arrested in Los Angeles last week on suspicion of rape.
      Sharper has not been arrested or charged for the alleged crime, and the case remains under investigation. However, Sharper was arrested last week in Los Angeles on an unrelated charge of suspicion of rape in two separate alleged incidents.

      According to the NOPD report, an unnamed woman alleged that Sharper raped her on the morning of Monday, Sept. 23, after they met at a bar and he took her to his apartment in the Central Business District. According to the report, which was made on the morning of Sept. 24, the accuser stated that she consumed a large amount of alcohol at a couple of bars. She said she met Sharper at one of the bars, then he later took her to his apartment and sexually assaulted her. She said she did not consent to any sexual encounter.

      Last week, Sharper was arrested, booked and released on $200,000 bail in Los Angeles. The LAPD said it is investigating Sharper in connection with two sexual assaults that occurred in the West Los Angeles area, one in October and one this month.

      Sharper was a five-time Pro Bowler who spent his career with the Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings and New Orleans Saints before retiring after the 2010 season. He works as an analyst for NFL Network, though he has been suspended without pay.

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        Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

        http://deadspin.com/report-darren-sh...ims-1522911306

        Report: Darren Sharper Allegedly Drugged, Raped Two Women


        Darren Sharper Arrested On Suspicion Of Rape
        Darren Sharper, former safety for the Packers, Vikings and Saints, was arrested Friday in Los Angeles on rape charges. According to TMZ, Sharper—who… Read…
        Last month, former NFL safety Darren Sharper was arrested on the suspicion of rape, connected to sexual assaults that occurred in October 2013 and January 2014. He was also connected to a third incident that happened in September 2013. Now TMZ is reporting that Sharper drugged the women with zolpidem and morphine.

        According to the TMZ report, Sharper's charges include "two counts of rape by use of drugs, four counts of furnishing a controlled substance and one count of possession of a controlled substance, all felonies."

        Sharper denies the charges, and claims that he had consensual sex with one of the alleged victims, and has no idea who the other is.

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          Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

          Darren Sharper seems like a swell guy.


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              Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

              Darren Sharper is at least retired

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                Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

                He's rich, he's a good looking guy, gotta assume he does ok with women. I don't get it. If it's true the guy's a monster.

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                  Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

                  Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                  He's rich, he's a good looking guy, gotta assume he does ok with women. I don't get it. If it's true the guy's a monster.
                  I mean Sharper was named in bounty gate right?

                  Plus we really don't know how much money he has.

                  Anyway, 3 different women in 2 different states saying this? That'd be one heck of a coincidence.


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                    Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

                    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                    I mean Sharper was named in bounty gate right?

                    Plus we really don't know how much money he has.

                    Anyway, 3 different women in 2 different states saying this? That'd be one heck of a coincidence.
                    Didn't mean to insinuate innocence if that's how you took it, just that I legitimately don't understand a guy in his position, I don't know, "needing," for lack of a better word, to resort to this to get his rocks off.

                    In absolutely no way am I saying this is acceptable, I'm just trying to understand his thought process. I don't know, I need to eject myself from this before I dig a bigger hole, I just hope you guys understand what I mean.

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                      Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

                      I'm female and I understand however rape isn't about sex its about power, anger and control.

                      I wonder how Gabrielle Union feels she's a former rape victim herself and used to date this guy.

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                        Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

                        http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...piking-drinks/

                        Reggie Bush implicated in spiking drinks


                        In December, Darren Sharper’s codefendant suggested that he witnessed other players spiking drinks at a Las Vegas convention. At the time, Brandon Licciardi didn’t name names.

                        Now, John Simerman and Ramon Antonio Vargas of the Baton Rouge Advocate report that Licciardi identified former Saints (and current Lions) running back Reggie Bush as a player Licciardi saw spiking drinks.

                        Specifically, Simerman and Vargas report that Licciardi said he saw Bush “drop ecstasy into Champagne glasses and hand out the illicit party drug to women on a nearby dance floor at a Las Vegas club.”

                        Licciardi later retreated on the claim that he saw Bush spiking drinks.

                        “No, I didn’t see him put it in the drink,” Licciardi told investigators regarding Bush. “He told me. And he said he was handing it to people, in Vegas. He asked me if I wanted some. And I was like, I don’t do that stuff.”

                        Bush has been charged with no wrongdoing in any jurisdiction. However, the contentions from Licciardi may cause some discomfort in Detroit — and at 345 Park Avenue in Manhattan.

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                          Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

                          http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...porters-fired/


                          Bush threatens legal action, wants reporters fired

                          On Friday, the New Orleans Advocate reported that Darren Sharper’s codefendant implicated Lions running back Reggie Bush in the spiking of drinks with ecstasy. Bush’s lawyer has since strongly disputed the allegations on the player’s behalf, indicating that Bush is contemplating legal action.

                          Bush personally has addressed the situation on Twitter, taking an aggressive stand against the report.

                          “Shame on John Simerman & Ramon Vargas of The Advocate Newspaper 4 writing this false story!” Bush said. “They should be fired for their irresponsibility!”

                          Bush wants more than the termination of the employment of the reporters. He wants a retraction of the story — and he’s no longer considering the possibility of litigation.

                          “I 100 percent intend to take legal action against The Advocate if they do not retract their LIE-FILLED article,” Bush said. “Shame on you!”

                          While Bush understandably is upset about the report, the Advocate isn’t making any accusations. Instead, the Advocate has repeated information that Brandon Licciardi provided to investigators. While we’re not familiar with the nuances of Louisiana law on these issues, it seems that liability would attach not to the Advocate for reporting on the statements made by Licciardi, but to Licciardi for making them.

                          It’s also not clear how the Advocate obtained information about Licciardi’s statement; it’s possible that the dissemination of the remarks amounts to a breach of a court order or a violation of privacy.

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                            Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

                            I really have a hard time believing Reggie Bush needs to spike any woman's drink.

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                              Re: NFLN's Darren Sharper arrested for suspicion of rape and suspended without pay

                              Ecstasy as a rape drug? Doesn't sound right.

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