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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • #31
    Re: Are we talking too much?

    **** them. We've been the joke of the East for sometime now. It's about time we show some pride.

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    • #32
      Re: Are we talking too much?

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      are we confusing what lance does when the play is happening on the court? I love every minute of that and I'll cheer for that all day. But that is different from the after the play stuff he does that I think is going to far. I will not cheer for that at all.
      What has lance done off the court? Play on the piano? Make a promo video? dance in front of his car?

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      • #33
        Re: Are we talking too much?

        Originally posted by 31Since1990 View Post
        What has lance done off the court? Play on the piano? Make a promo video? dance in front of his car?
        I think either you miread what I wrote or I didn't make it very clear. All on the court stuff. Distinction I made was stuff during the play vs after the play. (maybe not good wording on my part)

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        • #34
          Re: Are we talking too much?

          I think the HCA thing is a bit too much, the Pacers will almost assuredly lose 1 home game to the Heat if they play in a series this season. The Pacers have to figure out how to win 1 or possibly 2 games in Miami. TNT said it best when Charles, Kenny, and Shaq all had experiences of losing HCA quickly or winning without it. Shaq's team even at it's best lost game 1 of the Finals at home to the 76ers, their only playoff loss.

          There are some games they either should have already or should during the season rest players for a half/a game. 4 games in 5 nights, 5 in 7, that sort of thing, we saw how PG struggled during that last stretch of games, maybe taking a game off would've helped him there.
          "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

          ----------------- Reggie Miller

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          • #35
            Re: Are we talking too much?

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            Well I am part of the crowd and I don't love them. do I count? And I am sure there are other members of the crowd that would just rather Lance toned it down a bit.
            I'm probably as old school as it comes, too. I believe in playing sound, fundamental basketball. But, I also believe in passion, too. The problem I have, and probably you as well, is that there is a limit on the "proper" display of passion. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it exceeded. And, there are many definitions of that limit, depending on the individual.

            For me, anything done on the court, whether complaining to an official or celebrating a play, must never hinder your tam's performance on the other end of the court. And, it must never cross the threshold of "taunting". But again, that is a personal definition.

            I've come to appreciate some of Lance's passion and humor on the court. But some of it also exceeds my personal limit.

            As for publicly stating the goal of achieving HCA, I'm all for it. It creates an "internal pressure" that helps maintain focus. It's a lot like having the energy, focus and dedication to playing both ends of e court the best e can each trip down the floor, except this proclamation applies to the entire season. Miss that goal, and you give other teams and their players fuel to mock you. Attain that goal, and you not only had the balls to publicly state it, giving other teams maximum impetus to cause you to fail, but you actually go out and give it all the gust you have to grab it. I applaud the Pacers for this. Put it on the line and prove it. Good for them.

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            • #36
              Re: Are we talking too much?

              We don't talk enough and Lance should tone up his antics.

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              • #37
                Re: Are we talking too much?

                The idea for HCA is that if you go 7 games you are at home. In most circumstances both teams manage to win one away game when going to 3-3.

                I believe wholeheartedly that you gain by players playing normal minutes through difficult stretches. You watch for atypical fatigue-inducing situations that might lead to injury, but normal tiredness you play through because it makes you better.
                BillS

                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                • #38
                  Re: Are we talking too much?

                  Originally posted by Cousy47 View Post
                  The League has had very few bigger trash talkers than Larry Bird and Reggie Miller. I wish PG would stop with the *****ing to the Refs as much as he does, but so far, he hasn't gone over the line and been given technicals, so I guess he's still in control of himself. Some of Lances' "dance moves" may be a little much, but think about when you were 23 and having one of the best times of your life. Did you smile quietly and put your head down? Yeah, me neither.
                  This. It really has to do with Lance's and PG's age. Both of them are 23 years old and extremely young. They are playing like stars at such a young age and it's completely natural that they get hyped.

                  You don't see West or Scola getting so hyped up when they do something great and that is natural as well. It's why they are veterans.

                  No, we don't talk too much. We're just stating our goals.

                  The reason that some people think that we're "overcelebrating" is simple. It's our young guys that are playing like stars and they are supposed to get hyped up at their age.
                  Originally posted by IrishPacer
                  Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Are we talking too much?

                    Honestly, it gets the fans fired up too. It wasn't too long ago that Banker's Life Fieldhouse sounded more like a morgue.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Are we talking too much?

                      Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
                      I think the HCA thing is a bit too much, the Pacers will almost assuredly lose 1 home game to the Heat if they play in a series this season. The Pacers have to figure out how to win 1 or possibly 2 games in Miami. TNT said it best when Charles, Kenny, and Shaq all had experiences of losing HCA quickly or winning without it. Shaq's team even at it's best lost game 1 of the Finals at home to the 76ers, their only playoff loss.

                      There are some games they either should have already or should during the season rest players for a half/a game. 4 games in 5 nights, 5 in 7, that sort of thing, we saw how PG struggled during that last stretch of games, maybe taking a game off would've helped him there.

                      The desire for HCA revolves around the fact that we want to have Game 7 at home if it comes to that. We certainly cannot bank on winning all four games at home, because Miami has been able to win here in each of the prior two postseasons. But we've also shown that we can steal a game down there since we have taken Game 2 in Miami both times. However, the problem with not having HCA is that we likely have to win two games in Miami since there is a very good chance that they steal one in Indy. That's a very difficult task.

                      For two straight years, the series has been tied 2-2 after Game 4. Wouldn't it be nice to have Game 5 at Indy for once? Wouldn't it be nice to know that 2 of the final 3 games are at Indy if we have a 2-2 series? And of course, wouldn't it be nice to have that Game 7 at home?

                      The HCA doesn't guarantee anything and we certainly could win without it. But it would just give us such a nice advantage this go around to have 4 of the 7 games at home.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Are we talking too much?

                        For being as good as we are, we're pretty humble. Remember when the Heat were dancing on the sidelines during games? There's nothing wrong with a little chest pumping on the court. Even players on losing teams do that when they've made a good play.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Are we talking too much?

                          Originally posted by adamscb View Post
                          For being as good as we are, we're pretty humble. Remember when the Heat were dancing on the sidelines during games? There's nothing wrong with a little chest pumping on the court. Even players on losing teams do that when they've made a good play.
                          I remember the cavs dancing not so much the heat.

                          http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6YhPSzGHFcM
                          Last edited by Romsey31; 01-17-2014, 05:36 PM.
                          Impossible Is Nothing

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                          • #43
                            Re: Are we talking too much?

                            I don't mind Lance's antics as long as they are directed at teammates or to rile up the crowd. If he starts showing up an opponent directly then I have a problem with it.

                            My biggest concern is Paul CONSTANTLY complaining to the refs. It's frankly ridiculous at this point. I'm surprised Larry or Frank hasn't pulled him aside and told him to shut up. I've noticed him not getting back on defense at times because he's too busy demonstrating how his forearm got hit on the last play.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Are we talking too much?

                              Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
                              I think the HCA thing is a bit too much, the Pacers will almost assuredly lose 1 home game to the Heat if they play in a series this season. The Pacers have to figure out how to win 1 or possibly 2 games in Miami. TNT said it best when Charles, Kenny, and Shaq all had experiences of losing HCA quickly or winning without it. Shaq's team even at it's best lost game 1 of the Finals at home to the 76ers, their only playoff loss.

                              There are some games they either should have already or should during the season rest players for a half/a game. 4 games in 5 nights, 5 in 7, that sort of thing, we saw how PG struggled during that last stretch of games, maybe taking a game off would've helped him there.
                              I disagree completely. If we get HCA and lose 1 home game that means we only have to win 1 game on the road. If we don't get HCA and lose 1 home game, then we have to win 2 on the road. Which is extremely difficult to do, as proven last year. HCA is HUGE. Sure both teams could win 1 on the road (this probably actually occurs quite often), but this would mean the team with HCA still wins the series in 7 games.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Are we talking too much?

                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                I think either you miread what I wrote or I didn't make it very clear. All on the court stuff. Distinction I made was stuff during the play vs after the play. (maybe not good wording on my part)
                                No it's my bad, I skimmed.

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