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Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

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  • #46
    Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
    This is a different case than the Lance Stephenson example mentioned early in the thread. With Lance, people like Bird and Boyle were saying that he was great in practice away from the public eye. They were watching things that we weren't privy to, so we had to take their word for it. Grigson OTOH is talking about T-Rich's impact on the actual games that everyone else is also able to watch. I don't care what Grigson's title is, he can't change what's on the tape. And the tape said that T-Rich was not a good runner, which was why his own coach decided to finally bench him when the season was on the line. This isn't meant to say that T-Rich didn't do some good things, such as picking up rushers and catching the ball. But I think that running the ball was the number 1 thing the Colts had in mind when they traded for him, and he was not good at it. Sure, the offensive line deserves a huge chunk of the blame, but other running backs looked much better running behind the line this year.
    He doesn't NEED to change what's on tape. He only needs to think areas that Trent is good hold more value than what we think it is. Like I said to Bball, you can look at it like he's saying he's the reason why the Colts won 12 games, or you can look at it that he's a reason why they won ONE game. If Grigson is going through game film, sees something miniscule that has a huge impact (say picking up a rusher) that he thought Donald never would have and it kept a game winning drive going, the statement rings true. Without Trent picking up that hypothetical rush, the game could have ended differently.

    But it's easier to just make dumb one liners about doing drugs than actually critically thinking about what was said, and the roles/impacts all the players have as a collective unit.
    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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    • #47
      Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

      Let's also not forget that Grigson made his name in the NFL through talent evaluation with the Eagles.

      EDIT: And quite frankly, the statement is just a statement to let everyone know that the Colts haven't given up on Trent.
      Last edited by Since86; 01-21-2014, 02:55 PM.
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      • #48
        Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
        He doesn't NEED to change what's on tape. He only needs to think areas that Trent is good hold more value than what we think it is. Like I said to Bball, you can look at it like he's saying he's the reason why the Colts won 12 games, or you can look at it that he's a reason why they won ONE game. If Grigson is going through game film, sees something miniscule that has a huge impact (say picking up a rusher) that he thought Donald never would have and it kept a game winning drive going, the statement rings true. Without Trent picking up that hypothetical rush, the game could have ended differently.

        But it's easier to just make dumb one liners about doing drugs than actually critically thinking about what was said, and the roles/impacts all the players have as a collective unit.
        Really this is how I look at it. I don't think the COlts win 12 games without either Bradshaw, Brown, Trent or Ballard.

        I also remember Brown trying to cut block at NE LB who just hurdled him for a sack. That happens a lot less when Trent is in the game.

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        • #49
          Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
          Yeah, it does say something, it just doesn't say what you think it says. I think it's pretty telling that Bball was able to go from saying that Trent didn't bring any positives, to acknowledging he does bring positives.



          I see you're back on the kick of ignoring what was just said. I just admitted that Trent being a bust IS possible. My point has never been that Trent will go down as some great Colt rb, and that his impact is such a great one. Nope, never been my point. My point has always been that he hasn't gotten a fair shake, and that we should give him more time before declaring ourselves right. I don't know what will happen, neither do you. Only one of us is arguing that the discussion is over.

          I just don't think it's too much to ask to give a guy one offseason with a team, before declaring a concrete opinion. Patience is almost a dirty word now. There's a reason why I put that LB quote in my sig.
          Your points really aren't that clear. The only point I have really been able to surmise before this was us armchair GMs might want to STFU and trust Grigson.

          He's had two years in the league and has done nothing with either of them. That's more of a chance than a lot of guys get. If he didn't have so much invested in him (3rd overall pick for Cleveland; first round pick for us), I think there's a very fair argument to be made that he might be fighting for a roster spot come next season.

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          • #50
            Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

            Originally posted by cdash View Post
            Your points really aren't that clear. The only point I have really been able to surmise before this was us armchair GMs might want to STFU and trust Grigson.
            I'm sure they could be a bit more clear, but I'll also say that you should probably read what I've said before you go after me personally. Especially right after I admit that it's possible the Colts just got fleeced.


            Originally posted by cdash View Post
            He's had two years in the league and has done nothing with either of them.
            If you don't think 12TDs and 1300 yds from scrimmage is doing anything, then I don't know what else to say except your standards are out of this world.
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            • #51
              Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
              I'm sure they could be a bit more clear, but I'll also say that you should probably read what I've said before you go after me personally. Especially right after I admit that it's possible the Colts just got fleeced.




              If you don't think 12TDs and 1300 yds from scrimmage is doing anything, then I don't know what else to say except your standards are out of this world.
              I came after you personally? Please report the post in question then. I called you and KM "stubborn". Pretty vicious slander I'm tossing around today.

              My standards are apparently out of this world then. As are many people's, it would seem. I'm not exactly alone in my disappointment with Trent Richardson's career. Perhaps you took the term "nothing" a bit too literally?

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              • #52
                Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

                Originally posted by cdash View Post
                Perhaps you took the term "nothing" a bit too literally?
                My fault for taking words at their literal meaning. Silly me. I'd give those stats to whomever thinks his rookie year as a disappointment. Maybe you can give a standard to what kind of stats he would need to put up, in order to be successful?

                And your comment wasn't vicious, it's just unnecessary.
                Last edited by Since86; 01-21-2014, 04:04 PM.
                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                • #53
                  Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

                  I guess I'm stubborn. I believe when I watch TRich, I recognize a player that despite his perceived production this year, is capable of much more, and yes he did have circumstances around him that affected his production. I also think everyone on here already proclaiming him a bust are making a premature evaluation and conclusion. That's all you can accuse me of, and frankly, I don't feel bad sticking by it. I haven't attacked any of you. I realize I'm in the minority. If he ends up busting, which I recognize as completely possible, I'll acknowledge it. But I won't feel bad about it.
                  There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

                    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                    My fault for taking words at their literal meaning. Silly me. I'd give those stats to whomever thinks his rookie year as a disappointment. Maybe you can give a standard to what kind of stats he would need to put up, in order to be successful?

                    And your comment wasn't vicious, it's just unnecessary.
                    Send them to the city of Cleveland, and Browns fans everywhere.

                    Yes, many of yours have been unnecessary too. Who cares?

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                    • #55
                      Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      I've always found it funny when some think they have a better understanding of a professional game, than professionals. On a freaking message board.
                      (no offense, honest question...not being a smart allelic)

                      Dont we all do that. Message boards are a place we come to talk sports (or life/politics/etc). We dont always agree. At times doesnt that mean we disagree with the "pros". (Hell, JOB has more connections than I do but I swear I could be a better coach. Same for Jim Zorn)

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                      • #56
                        Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

                        Originally posted by cdash View Post
                        Send them to the city of Cleveland, and Browns fans everywhere.

                        Yes, many of yours have been unnecessary too. Who cares?
                        So no examples of production that you would consider a succesful rookie season?
                        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

                          Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                          (no offense, honest question...not being a smart allelic)

                          Dont we all do that. Message boards are a place we come to talk sports (or life/politics/etc). We dont always agree. At times doesnt that mean we disagree with the "pros". (Hell, JOB has more connections than I do but I swear I could be a better coach. Same for Jim Zorn)
                          Give opinions, sure. Not all of us treat our opinions like unquestionable statements of fact though.
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

                            Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                            I guess I'm stubborn. I believe when I watch TRich, I recognize a player that despite his perceived production this year, is capable of much more, and yes he did have circumstances around him that affected his production. I also think everyone on here already proclaiming him a bust are making a premature evaluation and conclusion. That's all you can accuse me of, and frankly, I don't feel bad sticking by it. I haven't attacked any of you. I realize I'm in the minority. If he ends up busting, which I recognize as completely possible, I'll acknowledge it. But I won't feel bad about it.
                            Which is the exact opposite of "stubborn" but then again, I run with literal definitions.
                            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

                              So if Trent's benching says something about Trent, what does the fact that DBrown averaged 9 carries as a starter? What does it say that Trent averaged almost 11 carries per game over that same span?
                              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Ryan Grigson: We don't win 12 games without Trent Richardson

                                Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                                So no examples of production that you would consider a succesful rookie season?
                                Nope. You hit the nail on the head. He was worth the first rounder. Don't know what I was thinking. You changed my views. Good job.

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