I've taken my daughter to a few games this year and have never been slightly concerned about her safety. Just be aware of your surroundings (like anywhere). If someone seems drunk they shouldn't be hard to avoid. If they are sitting near you, have an usher address the issue. If a drunk person falls on your kid, understand that shoot happens (very rarely) and enjoy the free tickets I'm sure you can get if it's that big of a deal. If it happened to us I'm sure my wife might have a few words for the person but it would never stop us from attending games.
1) I hope you guys responding to me actually have a young son. Your perspective will change a lot.
2) I don't know if the guy was drunk. But let's be real. You guys know what was probly goin' on.
3) You knock my son's tooth out on his first trip to see his favorite team, one of two things are going to happen: 1) if you aren't visibly drunk and it truly appears to be accidental, I'll let you by with a light scolding. 2) if you've been tipping back a few and you fell on my son because you're feeling good, you are going to get a large earful from me.
If you don't like that, then this is what I suggest for you --- I suggest you don't get drunk and fall on my son and knock his tooth out. I don't know what else to tell ya. Lol.
I'm going to defend my son.
That said, I've taken my boy to Pacer games, and I've never had an incident or felt threatened.
Exactly. No one is saying that the lady shouldn't be upset. Seeing your 7 year old get hurt would upset any parent. But her whole dramatic article makes it seem like taking a young kid to a Pacer game is risking their safety. It was just a freak accident that could happen in any public place. I know that most people aren't silly enough to think that a Pacer game is a dangerous spot for a kid, but I still don't like how the hometown newspaper is allowing such a dramatic over-the-top article to be on the front page of the their website. The Pacers struggled with attendance for years and have just finally turned the corner with the community, so an article like this doesn't do them any good. I know that this won't deter people from going to games, but it's still pretty unnecessary to print this. It's not like Boomer and the Power Pack started beating her kid up.
Last edited by The Sleeze; 01-15-2014 at 11:01 PM.
I didn't take that from the article. I took it as someone just *****ing about someone's carelessness. I think some of you are taking this article as some attack on the Pacers environment...
I've taken my kids to countless Pacers game and never had any sort of issue.
I've taken them to one Padres game in San Diego and some carousing bozo came running up from a lower section, barfed in the aisle right next to us, turned around and left. My youngest was closest to the aisle, but luckily was sitting cross legged in his seat and avoided the splatter.
At last night's IU game, a drunk fan fell into my wife and sent her over the seats in front of her. It messed up her leg pretty bad. Luckily for that guy (and probably for me) I wasn't there, but that kind of stuff infuriates me.
But if a drunk guy landed on my son during a Pacers game.....
Having said that, there's been an anti-Pacers feel to the IndyStar since at least 2004, and this article does nothing to change that. I understand the Star wants to beef up it's amount of content, but putting a lower-quality article on the front page is really going out of the way. I don't know how else it can be interpreted.
Last edited by imawhat; 01-15-2014 at 11:30 PM.
I understand being mad, but the hyperbole about the crowd was a bit much. Furthermore, it's the Star's decision to call this newsworthy is what bothers me. There is no reason to run this story. It's not like security didn't respond, it's not like the Pacers are at fault. This is a personal matter, and it has no business being in a newspaper, especially the only daily paper in a fairly large city. It's easy to interpret this as a subtle attack on the Pacers. The Star and some local people in general search for faults with the team and organization.
I just can't imagine The $tar ever running an article implying that Colts games aren't a place for kids. Blue the Colt could beat up one of the kickoff kids, but that still wouldn't be enough for them to run an article like this.
For a long time, the Pacers definitely reaped what they sewed when it came to bad front page headlines. But this was just a silly thing to run when the team is doing so well and the fans are back. They Pacers don't deserve even the slightest bit of negativity right now.
Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-15-2014 at 11:48 PM.
If I had a son, and a bozo landed on him, I certainly would be pissed, especially if the guy was horseplaying around or drunk. I'd probably give him an earful. However, it's not front page of the city's newspaper worthy. It's no different then getting in a car wreck. Should we avoid the roads because accidents happen? I'm sorry that this mom and her son had a bad experience, but flukes happen everywhere. If you are worried about it so much, then you're probably worried about living in general.
As for bad sports fan experiences, my dad took my brother and I to a preseason Colts-Bengals game in the RCA Dome early 90's. We were in the mid-tier of the stands, and I remember seeing two drunk guys (one a Colts' fan, the other a Bengals) beat each other up while the loser ended up with a bloodied face and throwing up hot dogs and beer in the aisle. Pretty unpleasant experience and overshadowed the game, but contrary to some people's belief, I wasn't scarred for life.
If this had happened at a Colts game, would it be a story in the Star?
I think it's a fair question.
Edit: Sollozzo basically beat me to it.
Last edited by rabid; 01-16-2014 at 12:41 AM.
If the kid is a drama queen its quite obvious where he gets it from...Theres definitely an underlying agenda here....Whether the parents are Bulls or Heat Fans or they werent happy with someones response to the situation at BLF or Larry Bird dumped their aunt when the two were dating in HS...but there is obviously more to this than meets the eye...
Only been to a few Pacer games, the worst I ever had to deal with was some annoying Bobcats fans who kept shouting "Rio" (this was less than a week after the incident) at Stephen Jackson. Also they kept screaming for Adam Morrison to look at them.
Now at the Indy 500...well nothing as bad as the article but I did almost get doused with beer by a wayward toss of a half full can. I was pretty annoyed, I mean, it was about 9 am at the time.
Let's face it though, there's plenty of bozos out there an beer and sports can be a powerful inhibition destroyer. Stuff can and does happen.
Last edited by Ransom; 01-16-2014 at 01:49 AM.
If she can safely assume this guy was a drunk bozo, than i'll safely assume dad must of been on a beer run, because he sure as hell wasnt there helping mom with the kids ( which i'm also safely assuming since assumptions are flying around ).
As someone who responds to this type of thing for a living, parents tend to be EXTREMELY dramatic when their kid gets hurt.
As someone mentioned earlier, I doubt blood was "gushing" from this child's mouth. I can't count the number of times my dispatch has told us "Parents are advising there is blood everywhere", only for us to find a very minor injury.
Sorry her son got hurt and she had a bad time, but past experience has me skeptical of the alleged bloodbath in her child's mouth
Stop quoting people I have on ignore!
I raised 5 kids (3 girls, 2 boys) and lost the oldest boy at the age of 20. Hope that's enough credentials for my response.
All I can say is that "defending" involves being aware of what is going on around your kids, not just reacting after the fact. I'm sure as a parent you're VERY aware of that, it just doesn't come across that way.
I'd also be wondering:
- If the boy lost his baby tooth from someone falling against his face, that seems a little odd unless there was a belt buckle or hard wallet involved - especially since the guy fell from behind and above. He is 7 - that's when teeth are falling out like drunks from the rafters . Clearly there had been at least one Tooth Fairy incident in the past to confirm this.
- If the boy lost his tooth hitting the back of the seat, why was he facing that way? I know my kids were always trying to get knees up facing backwards to look around when at the games, was this just an accident of timing?
- "A giggle erupted from the mass" - this boy wasn't traumatized by the guy falling on him. That was fun! He was upset that he couldn't find his tooth. Had he found his tooth, it would have been all laughs and sunshine and roses and guess what the Tooth Fairy will leave tonight.
In any event, for those asking why people are interpreting this as a slam against the Pacers, look at this quote:
"People have warned us that Pacers games can turn into bacchanalias, suggesting they’re not places for kids."
The article seems meant to say, "hey, they're right" - even using a Colts game incident to make it sound like this happens All The Time.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
A *****-fest has no place in what is supposed to be respectable journalism. I think most people's frustration at this is towards the Indy Star because this article should never have been posted. It just shows either Indy Star has an agenda or their quality is crap.
This articles serves no purpose at all. What is the point of her article? One incident magically makes the Pacer game unfriendly for families? What about all the other families that went there that night and had a great time? What about the time I took my nephews there and had a great time there? This is a Facebook post and nothing more, but because of her connections it gets posted.
I understand being upset at the time, but after the smoke clears and your kid is fine rational thought should return and see this as nothing more than an isolated incident that was probably just an accident.
Dudes, I understand this, I've already stated it multiple times that this didn't need to be a published article. I completely agree. What I took issue to were people's responses saying the lady's actual response to the guy and the situation was handled poorly BY HER.
If I had fallen and landed on another person's child, I would've immediately become profusely apologetic, and then I would've stayed around for however long it required to make sure the kid was alright, the situation was under control and then I'd probly go buy the kid a souvenir. This guy said, "Gee", and poofed.
How his tooth got knocked out is irrelevant. Let's just say there was an impact of some variety, one hard enough to knock a tooth out. Going into the why's and how's and where's and was he facing backwards ---- doesn't matter. The kid was in his seat, next to his mom, and had his tooth knocked out.
What's weird to me is that you're almost defending this (likely drunk) dude instead of this 7-year old kid at his first Pacer game who unfortunately will probly never forget this. You're making all kinds of assumptions about this guy and the situation instead of just calling it for what it is --- he fell on a kid and knocked his tooth out. Then he poofed.
I wouldn't be happy about this, as a father. If you would've handled this differently, I don't know what else to tell ya. That is your own prerogative. The "giggle" thing for me isn't enough for me to say, "Hey, you know what pal? My son giggled after you knocked his tooth out, so... we're good, man. Don't worry about it." To me, this article wasn't about "how dangerous it is" at a Pacer game, rather than just a commentary on lack of conduct by some people.
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 01-16-2014 at 09:23 AM.