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    I don't doubt the hyperbole will be in overdrive that's for sure. I just don't agree that a comparison should be made considering that the Pats teams back then were far superior to the one we'll be seeing on Saturday. It wasn't like we were ever favored to win those either.

    Its like the Niners/Packers... the Packers always destroyed the Niners during the Favre era and now its the opposite. Does that mean Colin Kaepernick is better than Steve Young because of it? I don't think so. The teams aren't the same.
    If we go in there and knock them off on Saturday, then the hyperbole should be in overdrive. That would be a massive accomplishment. And whether we like it or not, Luck will always be held to the standards of the Manning era, just like Rodgers was held to the Favre standards. While it's true that the 03 and 04 Pats teams were better than what they have now, let's not forget that the 03 and 04 Colts were also more talented than what we currently have because of the injuries.

    The Kaepnerick/Young thing is a bit of a stretch. These obviously aren't the same Niners and Packers. However, it's still Brady and Belichick in Foxboro. Regardless of how much has changed there over the last decade, the two most important characters are still in place. Thus, there will definitely be comparisons to how Manning fared there.

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    Dan Shaughnessy of the Boston Globe has a bit of a history.

    He has now penned almost precisely this same column three times in three years: 2011 vs the Broncos, 2012 vs the Texans, and now vs the Colts.

    It sets him up to carry out his agenda: if the Patriots win he holds this up to "prove" that he knows football; if the team doesn't win (or even doesn't win convincingly) then he writes his year-end review for every season that does not end in a Lombardi trophy, with a little extra vinegar. He details how lazy, stupid, and underachieving the team is, what a poor coach Belichick is, listing players that Belichick has passed on in the draft (which would apply to any team) without comment on any of their good picks, listing players that Belichick has passed on in free agency (without himself having even a rudimentary CLUE about something as complicated as a salary cap).

    Imagine if Dan Dakich were a writer rather than a talk show host,
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    You would have "Shank" Shaughnessy

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    That's uncanny. Hahaha.

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    If we go in there and knock them off on Saturday, then the hyperbole should be in overdrive. That would be a massive accomplishment. And whether we like it or not, Luck will always be held to the standards of the Manning era, just like Rodgers was held to the Favre standards. While it's true that the 03 and 04 Pats teams were better than what they have now, let's not forget that the 03 and 04 Colts were also more talented than what we currently have because of the injuries.

    The Kaepnerick/Young thing is a bit of a stretch. These obviously aren't the same Niners and Packers. However, it's still Brady and Belichick in Foxboro. Regardless of how much has changed there over the last decade, the two most important characters are still in place. Thus, there will definitely be comparisons to how Manning fared there.

    Winning his first road playoff game? Sure it would be a massive accomplishment but when Grigson started saying how Luck was reminding him of Jordan I had to roll my eyes there.

    I mean to use Jordan around here is sacrilege to begin with but it was his first playoff win (albeit a dramatic one) nothing more.

    Frank Reich had a playoff win just like Luck did but nobody is saying he was Jordanesque or a legend but they talked about how Houston blew that game(and they did) not how great Reich was. Luck vs Chiefs total opposite really.

    The 2003/4 Colts teams were more talented offensively but defense was always a question mark. This team is more balanced. Not to mention Luck will be playing in far better weather than those Colts teams did where a pass happy offense is slowed down by snow and wind.

    I just don't think that means he's a legend or elite because of it terms you can actually apply to Manning regardless of what happens in his game on Sunday at least not right now.

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    Good to see the concussionists quickly cleared to practice. Hopefully that bodes well for them being cleared to play in the game also.



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    We definitely need Landry. A healthy Landry might be our 3rd best defensive player behind Mathis and Freeman.

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    Saturday could depend on our best rookies. If Werner and Rogers step up, it could give the Colts the advantage.
    This. Specifically Rogers though. We need to take some pressure off of Hilton

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    We definitely need Landry. A healthy Landry might be our 3rd best defensive player behind Mathis and Freeman.
    Well if we are gonna mention our best defensive players when fit, I would certainly put Redding and Davis before him.

    Landry is not that good really. Sure he had the odd good game but other than that he's shown to be bad in coverage and many times his tackling is late and damage is done(first down for the opponent). Not impressed at all with him.

    I am not saying don't put him out there or we have definitely something better than him but I think for the contract he signed last off season, I expected more and we could do better than him in the next one.

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    Winning his first road playoff game? Sure it would be a massive accomplishment but when Grigson started saying how Luck was reminding him of Jordan I had to roll my eyes there.

    I mean to use Jordan around here is sacrilege to begin with but it was his first playoff win (albeit a dramatic one) nothing more.

    Frank Reich had a playoff win just like Luck did but nobody is saying he was Jordanesque or a legend but they talked about how Houston blew that game(and they did) not how great Reich was. Luck vs Chiefs total opposite really.

    The 2003/4 Colts teams were more talented offensively but defense was always a question mark. This team is more balanced. Not to mention Luck will be playing in far better weather than those Colts teams did where a pass happy offense is slowed down by snow and wind.

    I just don't think that means he's a legend or elite because of it terms you can actually apply to Manning regardless of what happens in his game on Sunday at least not right now.
    I'm just not reading the quote the same way. IMHO it's more like Grigs is saying Luck steps up to pressure situations like Jordan did rather than Luck is Jordan.

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    Grigson said the way Luck elevates his game in the biggest moment isn’t reminiscent of any football player so much as it’s reminiscent of Michael Jordan.

    “He’s always been a different animal in the fourth quarter, his whole life,” Grigson said. “And just even hearing the story from his uncle [and agent, Will Wilson]. He relishes those moments. It’s like Jordan when he’d take that last shot — he wants the ball. This guy, we’re so blessed, he wants the ball in those situations. Other guys don’t want the ball; they want to hand it off. They don’t really want it — they’re gonna be half-stepping it. This kid is gonna rear back and throw a bomb when he has all the pressure on him. And that’s a thing of beauty. You’re born with that.”
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    Apparently there's going to be a decent amount of rain during the game. I wonder if we'll be able to run the ball, because the Patriots will likely be able to
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    Apparently there's going to be a decent amount of rain during the game. I wonder if we'll be able to run the ball, because the Patriots will likely be able to
    Yeah I hope Fumbles Ridley gets to carry it some.

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    I'm just not reading the quote the same way. IMHO it's more like Grigs is saying Luck steps up to pressure situations like Jordan did rather than Luck is Jordan.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ichael-jordan/


    Grigson said the way Luck elevates his game in the biggest moment isn’t reminiscent of any football player so much as it’s reminiscent of Michael Jordan.

    “He’s always been a different animal in the fourth quarter, his whole life,” Grigson said. “And just even hearing the story from his uncle [and agent, Will Wilson]. He relishes those moments. It’s like Jordan when he’d take that last shot — he wants the ball. This guy, we’re so blessed, he wants the ball in those situations. Other guys don’t want the ball; they want to hand it off. They don’t really want it — they’re gonna be half-stepping it. This kid is gonna rear back and throw a bomb when he has all the pressure on him. And that’s a thing of beauty. You’re born with that.”

    Still comparing him to Jordan and unlike Jordan I actually like Luck but really it was one playoff win a great one yes but I wouldn't put him in Jordan status just yet either. Even if he was compared to Montana I would've found it to be just as absurd at this point in time.

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    I'm expecting a big game out of Vontae Davis since he's the only Colt whose actually prepared for Tom Brady once already this season.

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    I just really hope that we don't get blown the hell out. Obviously I am hoping (almost expecting :s) a win, but I could STOMACH a loss that was well played to a top 5, likely top 3 (that hurts to say) QB against a young team, but I can't stand the Pats, and therefore a blowout would leave an especially bad taste in my mouth.

    Hopefully this is one of the miraculous games that the defense decides to look like a top 5 in the NFL.

    We are going to need to be able to run the ball a bit, though I don't expect that to be a huge problem against an already eh defense missing some key players.

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    May be proven wrong but I just can't see a repeat of last season's blowout in NE.

    Big weapon for us will be to stop their running game which brings me to one of my previous posts about what type of Colts D we will see.

    I know I haven't mentioned getting to Brady but I don't expect us to get to him that much. Either for lack of pass rush bar Mathis or for the quick screen passes and slants he throws to his receivers.

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    I know I haven't mentioned getting to Brady but I don't expect us to get to him that much. Either for lack of pass rush bar Mathis or for the quick screen passes and slants he throws to his receivers.
    We gotta find a way. Obviously it's easier said than done, but it's our ticket to having a solid chance at winning this. You look at the playoff games the Pats have lost over the years, and most of them are because teams hit Brady early and knocked him off his game. He's like Peyton in that he's old and gets very flustered once he starts getting drilled into the ground. We don't win that Broncos game this year without getting those hits on Peyton which knocked him off his game.

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    My picks to win:

    NE vs. Indy: Colts. I'm obviously heavily biased here and my desire to see the Colts win is factoring into my pick. Certainly wouldn't be surprised if NE won comfortably.

    NO vs. Seattle: NO. I'm picking the big upset here. Everyone seems to think that Seattle will blow them out. I'll go with the SB winning QB and coach to pull off the upset.

    SF vs. Carolina: SF. Close, but Harbaugh is just a phenomenal playoff coach and I think that SF is just a little better. Winning road playoff games isn't that difficult to them (@ATL, @GB).

    Den vs SD: Denver. If they can't win this game, then I don't think they're ever making a deep playoff run.

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    Patriots 40
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    My picks to win:

    NE vs. Indy: Colts. I'm obviously heavily biased here and my desire to see the Colts win is factoring into my pick. Certainly wouldn't be surprised if NE won comfortably.

    NO vs. Seattle: NO. I'm picking the big upset here. Everyone seems to think that Seattle will blow them out. I'll go with the SB winning QB and coach to pull off the upset.

    SF vs. Carolina: SF. Close, but Harbaugh is just a phenomenal playoff coach and I think that SF is just a little better. Winning road playoff games isn't that difficult to them (@ATL, @GB).

    Den vs SD: Denver. If they can't win this game, then I don't think they're ever making a deep playoff run.
    I like where your head is at. Those are the results that I want to happen (although a SF-Seattle NFC title game would be incredibly entertaining).

    I'll take it a step further, we beat Peyton in the mountains, New Orleans continues their improbable run and makes the Super Bowl, and the Colts exact revenge for their prior Super Bowl defeat to Brees' Saints, and Andrew Luck becomes a legend. Make it so, football gods.

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    Aaron Dobson ruled out for Saturday


    The Patriots will be without a regular contributor to their receiving corps on Saturday night against Indianapolis.

    Rookie wideout Aaron Dobson (foot) has been declared out of the divisional-round matchup against the Colts, according to the club’s injury report.

    A Marshall product, the 6-foot-3, 200-pound Dobson hauled in 37 passes for 519 yards and four touchdowns in the regular season. Only Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola were targeted more than Dobson, who had 72 passes thrown his way.

    Another rookie receiver, Kenbrell Thompkins, is also listed as questionable for Saturday. He has a hip injury.

    Including Dobson and Thompkins, the Patriots have six receivers on the roster. They also have three wideouts on their practice squad.

    The only other Patriots player listed as questionable is cornerback Alfonzo Dennard (knee/shoulder). He was limited on Friday, as was Thompkins.

    Eight other Patriots are listed as probable, including cornerback Devin McCourty (concussion). McCourty was limited on Friday

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    Darrius Heyward-Bey ruled out for Saturday

    Posted by Mike Wilkening on January 10, 2014, 1:46 PM EST
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    As expected, the Colts will not have reserve wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey available for Saturday’s divisional-round game at New England.

    Heyward-Bey was officially ruled out for Saturday, according to the club’s final injury report of the week. He sat out all three days of practice with a hamstring injury.

    Heyward-Bey has caught 29 passes for 309 yards and one touchdown in 2013, his first season with Indianapolis.

    The Colts have six other wide receivers on the roster: T.Y. Hilton, LaVon Brazill, Da’Rick Rogers, Griff Whalen, Deion Branch and Josh Lenz.

    While Heyward-Bey is out, every other player on the Colts’ injury report is probable, including starting free safety LaRon Landry (concussion) and starting nose tackle Aubrayo Franklin (rest). Both practiced fully on Friday.

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    is Phil B tanked?


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    ESPN "Expert" picks, 10 Patriots, 5 Colts

    Allen: Colts
    Golic: Patriots
    Greenberg: Patriots
    Hoge: Colts (Shocker)*
    Jaws: Colts
    Joyner: Patriots
    Mort: Patriots
    Schefter: Patriots
    Wickersham: Colts
    Jackson: Patriots
    Keyshawn: Patriots
    Ditka: Colts
    Carter: Patriots
    Reiss: Patriots
    Bruschi: Patriots


    *Hoge has a schtick thing, he regularly picks the opponent of the Patriots


    Pats get the Greenberg "kiss of death"
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    Well Greenberg picked the Colts to go to the SB since the beginning of the year that doesn't help either.

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