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@EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

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  • #46
    Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
    You realize George Hill has substantially more votes than Lance does? With all the hate Hill gets on this board, and all the love Lance gets Hill is still beating him by 16,000 votes, according to the numbers released 3 days ago. I think that should dampen the, "Lance is probably going to be an all-star" talk. It isn't very likely, not this year at least.


    Coaches will decide this one

    I could see it too, but I think it would be a mistake that doesn't really understand why Lance is able to be successful with the Pacers.




    20 ppg really? He is currently averaging under 14ppg.

    I said near, I think so I think that means with in 3 points? I pretty sure Lance will get to that point by seasons end.


    So you don't think Bird believes what he says?
    Bird says alot of BS, he says it straight, but its still BS.



    You overvalue Lance. This team can win the championship with or without Lance, Lance just makes it easier.
    Over Value? When Lance is playing well, the Pacers are blowing teams out. He is the one player that the elite teams can not really game plan for



    No, it means that someone else offered Lance more money than he is worth. it has no bearing on what Simon thinks.

    It will mean something when Bird goes to Simon and says that Lance has an offer for 12 mil, are you gonna let me match it? Bird will ask, he has no reason not to ask. Bird would love to go over the cap and get all the players he wants. Its Simon who lays out the spending rules.

    My answers are in Bold.
    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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    • #47
      Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

      Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
      You are making assumptions based on nothing, but your own personal wishes of what would happen.
      Of course, its called an opinion. People act like you can't make a statement on what you think will happen anymore.
      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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      • #48
        Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

        Lance will have to average just short of 19, from here on out to get his average up to 17pts.

        In order to average 17 pts per game, he'd need 1394 total points on the season. He currently has 399, so he needs just about 1000. 1000/53 (# of games left)=18.86. He'll probably end up right around 14-16pts.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • #49
          Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

          Lance would have to average about 23.4 points a game for the rest of the season to finish at 20 per game for the whole season. I'd give him around a 0.1% chance to get there.

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          • #50
            Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

            I guess when i say "end the season averaging 20ppg" I am speaking to his current play at the time. Not his total for the season. Meaning he will averaging near 20ppg for the last 2 months of the season or so. Tricky syntax there.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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            • #51
              Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

              Originally posted by beast23 View Post
              Except Free never played for Boston. He was known mostly for playing at Philly and Cleveland. He also played for a couple of other teams as well I think.
              Ah, right. It was Philly, when they were Champ material. I think I got confused with Paul Westphal, who played the same kind of 6th man role for Boston before breaking out as an individual wonder on a scrub team.
              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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              • #52
                Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                My answers are in Bold.
                Yes teams can't gameplan for Lance because they have to gameplan for Roy, for Paul, and for West. You can only gameplan for so many players. It shouldn't be surprising that we blow teams out when Lance plays well. Teams rarely beat us when Roy, Paul, and West play like normal. When you have Lance playing well it is just too much for any team. How well Lance plays is rarely a deciding factor in a win or loss, but instead has more affect on the point differential. His play is the difference between winning by 5 and winning by 20, but either way the team lives and dies by Roy, Paul, and West.

                My point about the all-star voting is that maybe your opinion isn't in line with what the majority believe. The hype he is getting from the people on this board might not be in line with how people outside of this forum view him, including coaches. He has a lot more going against him being selected, than he has going for him.

                BS is not straight talk, what you just said makes no sense. Either he means what he says or he doesn't.

                Bird also realizes Simon doesn't have infinite pockets. Every GM would love to have 10 players good enough to make $10 million+, but not doing so does not mean Simon isn't serious about winning a championship. To Simon it isn't just $12 million he is paying Lance, it is $18ish million (depending on how much the tax would be) that he would in essence be paying for Lance.

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                • #53
                  Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

                  Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                  BS is not straight talk, what you just said makes no sense. Either he means what he says or he doesn't
                  Typically Bird means what he says in relation to what he knows for sure. He never publicly over speculates about the current situation. Only what is the current situation. Bird never talks with any real foresight about what the future holds. So when some reporter asks him about Stephenson's contract he will only say what he knows forsure, as in they will offer him a fair deal. All Bird said is that if Lance is here then great if not, then we will plug somebody else in. So his straight talk is BS at this point because he gave a BS answer to the question. He never said 12 million is too much. He never said 14 million is too much. Bird pretty much copped to the answer being a bunch of BS when he said that he doesn't know how the offseason will turn out, and doesn't really know what will happen till it happens. Which is the correct thing to say because everyone know if the Pacers win a championship, Simon will go into the luxury tax to keep Lance around.
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  • #54
                    Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

                    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                    Its more likely that they will sign Lance and trade George Hill to avoid the luxury tax. Not that I am advocating that, but thats what will happen in that situation. Lance is Bird's guy. Honestly Hill is the most replaceable player on the roster. A tween-er guard who can defend? George Hill can easily net this team an expiring contract and a replacement guard.
                    I think it's absolutely amazing how much George Hill is undervalued by Pacers fans.

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                    • #55
                      Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

                      Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                      I think it's absolutely amazing how much George Hill is undervalued by Pacers fans.
                      I agree, he is a good player. But Stephenson has the opportunity to be better.
                      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                      • #56
                        Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

                        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                        Say Wha?? Lance hasn't gotten it yet? LOL, he is the starting shooting guard on the best team in the East. He is probably going to make the all-star game. I could see about a dozen teams in the league trying to build around this guy. Namely the Lakers, because he has showtime written all over his game, and Kobe is gonna need great passer to continue setting him up over. Lance will end the season averaging near 20 points a game with 5-6 assists and 7-8 rebounds. He is literally turning into a mini-Lebron. Break down the defense? Check. Rebounding? Check. Setting up teammates? Check. Hard nosed defense? Check? Score in bunches? Check. Good Flopper? Check. He is like Lebron James with a Napoleon complex.

                        Bird said he would let Lance walk if he got better offers. I dont' think so. Bird is not letting this guy get away. He will pay 12 mil all day and think it is a bargain. PG got a max contract after one good season. Lance will most likely be the reason this team wins a championship, because he isn't predictable on offense. He is the X-factor that keeps our team lively on the offensive end.

                        If Bird let this guy walk, it would be a signal that Simon isn't in it to win a championship and that would send waves through the locker room, and you can be assured that all our core players right now will walk then their contracts are up in a couple of years.
                        You a bit over the top here, yes!
                        Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                        • #57
                          Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

                          I hate when guys get over or under valued, it makes anything I say to the contrary seem like I don't absolutely love the guy. I'll just let it play out. To me, alot of what Lance does is ingrained in the structure of his environment. He could easily go the way of obnoxiously good player on a bad team or he could be a loved part of a legend we'll all tell our grandkids about. If I'm Lance its an easy decision, but I have no idea how this will end. I'm happy for him for now. Hopefully this one works out for everyone, but I recognize the potential for that not to happen now.

                          If he goes to the wrong environment, he could easily turn into Javale McGee like joke who's an And 1 tape that has no substance. If he stays with a group of guys who give him the support and tough love that allow him to put up triple doubles and be a part of a greater 'team' he'll get true respect and tangible accomplishments. My biggest fear is he'll want to be 'the man' and lose sight of what matters in the process. It's another more dangerous fork in the road for Lance this next year, imo. We'll see.

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                          • #58
                            Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

                            Originally posted by Speed View Post
                            He could easily go the way of obnoxiously good player on a bad team or he could be a loved part of a legend we'll all tell our grandkids about. If I'm Lance its an easy decision, but I have no idea how this will end.
                            It is an easy decision. Whoever puts the most zeroes behind the biggest number, gets his services.

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                            • #59
                              Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

                              Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                              It is an easy decision. Whoever puts the most zeroes behind the biggest number, gets his services.
                              And we should not criticize him for that. He, as do all NBA players, have a limited time to convert their talent into money. Injury can happen any time. If his career lasts long enough, there will be time to chase championships after he's made his money.

                              Also, the hard truth is . . . The team that makes the biggest offer is the team, of those able to bid, that wants your services the most.

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                              • #60
                                Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

                                Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                                I think it's absolutely amazing how much George Hill is undervalued by Pacers fans.
                                I hope he meant the most replaceable starter. Hill is not the most replaceable player on the roster.

                                Anyway, the discussion is related to Lance considering the thread. I love George Hill but here's something to keep in mind:

                                1) Hill makes 8M/yr
                                2) Rebounds: Lance >> Hill
                                3) Assists Lance >> Hill
                                4) Points Lance > Hill

                                With that said, they score about the same per attempt because Hill shoots the three and free throws better. Hill is a bit better on turnovers per assist too. They are both good defenders.

                                So, both are really good players but objectively speaking Lance is more valuable than Hill.

                                Edit: BTW, this is not even factoring in , among other things, the pressure Lance puts on a defense.

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