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    Default Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

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    If we win a championship, Lance will not be the biggest reason why.
    I'm somewhat disagreeing with you. I'm not saying that Lance will be the main reason if/when we win a championship....but I feel like our starting lineup is like Voltron, we need all five guys to beat the opposition. And I feel if you take any of these guys (whether it be Hill, Lance, West) away, against the great teams, we'll not win a playoff series.

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    Plus hayward has a bigger ceiling than lance.
    I almost fell out of my chair. Let's be abundantly clear, Lance's #1 ability is scoring, and so far he hasn't even displayed 1/2 of that ability while playing in the NBA. The fact that he can instill fear on a fast break like few in the league, use uncanny vision and natural feel to distribute the ball, defend his man one-on-one, and rebound....and do all this at a pretty high level says volumes when all of those things are secondary to his primary ability, scoring.

    Additionally, he physically has no shortcomings as a guard in the NBA. So many other players are a compromise of height, weight, length or quickness. Lance has every one of those check'd off and long term it pays off as he'll be able to physically endure the NBA season better than most. While it's impossible to predict injuries, I'd say Lance is going to be less injury prone than say a Steph Curry or obviously a Derrick Rose. 10+ million dollar a year talent doesn't do much good when it's on IR.

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    Default Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

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    Stop looking at stats all the time, Chalmers gets in the lane at will on Hill which causes the defense to have to scramble. By the way if it wasn't for Hibbert Chalmers would destroy Hill in all facets.
    Is Chalmers really doing enough damage to warrant use of the word "destroy"? Seems like an awfully strong term to use.

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    Default Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

    This is pretty straight forward.....assume the worst case scenario as to what offer that Lance can get.....an offer starting at $11 mil and make preperations to make such an offer without going over the LT ( trade Copeland ).

    Can someone run the #s for the MAX contract that the Pacers can offer a Free Agent assuming that Lance decides to go somewhere else cuz he gets a bigger contract offer? Is it the full MLE at $5.38 mil a year?

    Also....what would the Starting Salary for the 2014-2015 season be for a 5 year / $45 mil contract look like with the raise that ONLY the Pacers can offer? Would it be a Starting of $8 mil in 2014-2015?
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    Is Chalmers really doing enough damage to warrant use of the word "destroy"? Seems like an awfully strong term to use.
    Hill can't guard him so yeah I think that is the appropriate term. He would utterly destroy Hill if Hibbert wasn't a monster protecting the basket.

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    Hill can't guard him so yeah I think that is the appropriate term. He would utterly destroy Hill if Hibbert wasn't a monster protecting the basket.
    JMHO.....but saying that GH would be destroyed by Chalmers ( pretty much putting Chalmers at a completely different Tier as a Player above GH ) is a dis-service to GH. If GH would be destroyed by Chalmers if Hibbert wasn't protecting the paint.....why can't the same be said of Chalmers if he didn't have the best Player in the League, Wade and Tag Along on his Team to draw the offense?

    Chalmers is a solid PG for the role that the Heat has him fill ( basically a Guard that doesn't handle the ball as much and role on the Team is to wait for the 3pt shot ). At most...one could say that both are comprable Players....but let's not make Chalmers into something that he isn't.
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    Stop looking at stats all the time, Chalmers gets in the lane at will on Hill which causes the defense to have to scramble. By the way if it wasn't for Hibbert Chalmers would destroy Hill in all facets.
    Our defense is designed to allow Chalmers to get in the lane. Guess what happens when Chalmers gets funneled on Hibbert? It results in a missed shot or a turnover.
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    Default Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

    Tried to post the stats for JRSmith and Tyreke from last year compared to Lance this year. The biggest difference, Lance was well behind in points and the defensive stats. He was ahead in rebounding, not as much as you might think, and assists. If you look at PER, he had the lowest number as well.

    My takeaway: Lance is not Tyreke. Comparing Lance's best year to Tyreke's worst year, they look pretty close. But Tyreke has had four good years, while Lance is halfway through his first. My feeling is that he will get closer to JR's contract than Tyreke's. To say that he deserves more than Tyreke is off-base in my opinion. They are close to the same age, and Tyreke has been doing his thing for much longer. I would say 3 years 24 million (7.5, 8, 8.5)

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    Default Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

    I still don't see how Lance gets that much more than Affalo, who's a 20pt/gm scorer. Other stats are nice, but this is a scoring league still and he avg 13pt/gm.
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    I still don't see how Lance gets that much more than Affalo, who's a 20pt/gm scorer. Other stats are nice, but this is a scoring league still and he avg 13pt/gm.
    Afflalo wasn't a 20pt/gm scorer when he signed that contract.

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    I still don't see how Lance gets that much more than Affalo, who's a 20pt/gm scorer. Other stats are nice, but this is a scoring league still and he avg 13pt/gm.
    He's a 20 point scorer now, but he wasn't when he signed his deal. Afflalo was coming off his age 25 season with averages of 33.7 minutes, 12.6 points, 3.6 rebounds, 2.4 assists, and 1 turnover. His TS% was excellent that year at .620, so he was highly efficient. His usage rate was 14.8%.

    Lance will be coming off his age 23 season with averages of 35.2 minutes, 13.4 points, 6.5 rebounds, 5.1 assists, and 2.6 turnovers. His TS% is .563 so quite a bit less efficient, but on a usage rate of 18.9%.

    WS/48 has Lance's season with .156 while Afflalo had .148 before his free agency year.

    Lance will have many more playoff minutes to point to and is unrestricted while Afflalo was restricted. And the salary cap will also be higher than it was when Afflalo signed his deal. It's always hard to compare two players like that though where one person puts up greater stats and the other one was a super efficient role player.

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    I like Lance fine, but any more than $6 million and we have to let this kid walk. It'd make much more sense to give Danny Granger at least $9 million a year, even if it takes us over the cap, because he is the undisputed soul of this team. #Serious

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    I like Lance fine, but any more than $6 million and we have to let this kid walk. It'd make much more sense to give Danny Granger at least $9 million a year, even if it takes us over the cap, because he is the undisputed soul of this team. #Serious


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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the protocol around here to use green to point out sarcasm ??

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    I like Lance fine, but any more than $6 million and we have to let this kid walk. It'd make much more sense to give Danny Granger at least $9 million a year, even if it takes us over the cap, because he is the undisputed soul of this team. #Serious
    Here you go.


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    Here you go.


    Edit: Funny thing is, both able and vnzla81 thanked that post.
    Yeah but I'm thanking it because I know is sarcasm, I believe the other 2 didn't get the joke.

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    Yeah but I'm thanking it because I know is sarcasm, I believe the other 2 didn't get the joke.
    Yeah, I think anyone familiar with your posting was aware of that

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    I like Lance fine, but any more than $6 million and we have to let this kid walk. It'd make much more sense to give Danny Granger at least $9 million a year, even if it takes us over the cap, because he is the undisputed soul of this team. #Serious
    Why stop with 9 mil?
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    Letting Lance walk to fork out 9M+ for Granger would indeed stink like a burned up fart.

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    Default Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

    It's a joke, fellas.

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    Default Re: @EyeOnBasketball: Report: Lance Stephenson could make up to $9 million as a free agent this summer

    This is all pretty pointless speculation. We will know come playoff time. If he plays well, he gets paid; if not, he doesn't.

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    I like Lance fine, but any more than $6 million and we have to let this kid walk. It'd make much more sense to give Danny Granger at least $9 million a year, even if it takes us over the cap, because he is the undisputed soul of this team. #Serious
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    I like Lance fine, but any more than $6 million and we have to let this kid walk. It'd make much more sense to give Danny Granger at least $9 million a year, even if it takes us over the cap, because he is the undisputed soul of this team. #Serious
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    I'm calling it right now. This post will be taken seriously in the future in order to attack "Danny fans".
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