So are we 4-0 now with Danny?
We have two guards. A Superstar. A savy veteran. And a Royzilla. And we are kicking butt. No need to change things around too much.
probably not right now but long term, yes. given our salary situation it'd be wise to look at moving Hill in the offseason in a similar fashion to how we acquired him. It'll be a no brainer if they decide to pursue keeping both Lance & Danny.
Things are fine the way they are because Lance basically plays the point on the floor anyways.
EDIT: Research shows that it is indeed the Big O in his legendary 1961-62 campaign, and that record aint falling unless Lance rips off 42 Triple-Dubs this season.
The team record is 4 in a year from Detlef. I think that one is falling.
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I think what your really asking is who should control the ball more, or be the facilitator ie "PG".
the comment "keep as is" ... good in thought is not what Coach Vogel is doing. were not changing the dynamics but Coach is evolving the offense to allow Lance to facilitate. this begun about a month ago and I mentioned it in a game thread that slowly coach Vogel was allowing Lance more leeway and freedom offensively by allowing him to bring the ball up the court. which is essentially the "pg" role. its jumped from about 15% to now tonite 55%. when hill is not on the floor lance is even taking command of the offense over CJ Watson.
Ive picked up that Coach Vogel likes to tinker with lineups and different dynamics against inferior teams specifically at home. I believe Coach is basically grooming Lance for a bigger role come postseason. Against elite teams Coach will play it closer to vest.
To answer your question in a way that may be more relevant to what your searching for.
Should Lance facilitate (bring ball up) in the playoffs as primary point. I believe Vogel is considering that right now and will evaluate as the season goes on. having lance run point allows GHill to play more of that shooting guard role which he excels at.
If Lance continues to excel at initiating the offense and can play under control then yes he may take a bigger responsibility over both hill and cj which will beneifit both of those players as well and our offense overall.
I think lance has a much easier time making the entry pass into the post. however, Hill and DWest are phenomenal at the pick and pop.
long story short. Bird has built the team with a lot of flexibility and versatility. many may recall his comment that he wants players out there that can play multiple positions/roles interchangeably.
This pacers team can beat you so many ways, and they really play great team basketball.
I trust that Coach Vogel will continue to evaluate ways to continuously improve the team. I can see Lance as the primary initiator 50% of the time come the postseason just because Hill is so good at the shooting guard role.
This team is just so darn good in how they cohesively play well together. the playoffs are all about matchups so it will be difficult to know what Coach will decide.
I will say this, I think Lance is better with the ball in his hands. he doesn't force the issue as much when he touches more consistently from get go. Hill if asked would prob say he prefers a sg role. so in essense, yes this can work.. and defensively it will not be an issue either.
the question I have is can Lance avoid careless turnovers and hot dog passes. if so then yes he along with hill running off screens can potentially take our offense to the next level. against the elite teams we cannot have a sloppy selfish showoff point creating careless turnovers and expect to win.
Pretty sure we had this discussion 2 months ago, why start Lance at the 1 ? Granger isn't even strong enough yet to be a full time starter, and Lance isn't quick enough to guard the quicker PGs. If you think Hill gets beat by quicker PGs, Lance will get demolished.
There have been several comments along these lines. But here's the deal: Still, about half the time we start the offense, Lance is standing in the corner.
I don't care what you call it—point guard, 2 guard, an offense initiated by the wings—this offense needs to be started by Lance most of the time. I think he has demonstrated pretty clearly by now that we excel at the highest level when this is the case.
If Hill isn't benched then it really is irrelevant to talk about, but shouldn't that be the obvious assumption? That it's not Lance or Danny anymore, it's Hill or Danny.
Defensively alone this will not work. Hill has played extremely well against Wall, Parker, Jennings, Mike Conley, and on and on the list goes. He keeps them out of the lane far better than anybody not named Paul George. Our offense is clicking and Lance is making that happen. But we will never see the day that Lance is guarding the other point guard. Can you imagine how zapped he would be?
He is thriving in the current role. A role that many here wanted him. Let us be happy with that.
I don't get the point of this if George Hill is still going to be starting.
BTW, it's already starting to shift a little and rightly so. Lance is simply better at the job. That's good because earlier this year George Hill said this:“I'm reluctant to play the one. I'm happy with it, I 'm learning, but there's still some two in my body.”
Or maybe this is just semantics, if you equate "bringing the ball up" to "initiating the offense." I don't.
And on a different note, the Pacers do a great deal less pick and roll than most teams. Vogel likes to mix it up depending on the matchups, using West to back in or pop, pitching to Roy in the post, letting Lance probe and generally act like Tigger, etc.
But if for nothing else, having both Hill and Stephenson on the floor gives us a couple decent ballhandlers. That's never been Danny's strength and PG is still a bit wobbly when he overdribbles.
And yes, there isn't much to fix right now, is there? Right now, I'm content to watch Danny shake off the rust on the second unit and really bring more pain that way.
BTW, it's often West getting the hand-off from Hill because he can pass the ball and puts pressure on the defense. That's exactly what Lance does but he does it even better. With West he's posting up. With Lance he's penetrating which is even more devastating to a defense especially when that guy has eyes in the back of his head. He leads this team in assists by a mile for a reason. He can get guys open, high percentage shots like nobody on this team so he really needs to have the ball a lot.
Now if he's not the one initiating the offense, we really need to work on ball movement because otherwise we are taking a lot of contested shots. That is particularly true if you pull Lance entirely off the floor.