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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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How do we keep Lance?

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  • #91
    Re: How do we keep Lance?

    Didnt Bird already openly said that he would resign Lance? After the signing of Paul, Lance was standing behind the press, watching it all, and i quote Bird: You are sitting here next season..

    The question is could Bird have envisioned such a big improvement? I guess not. But i still have this feeling that Bird will convince Simon to reach to his checkbook when we win complete the mission. To make a Dynasty run. That will improve the merchandise sale also so reaching to that checkbook will eventually pay back right?
    Proud owner of 'Dutch Pacers'

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    • #92
      Re: How do we keep Lance?

      Originally posted by bballpacen View Post
      With the success that we have had, and if we continue to do well, then we could become a choice destination for those "ring chasers" in the twilight of their career...
      Good point. We might loose Scola, or Hill, etc, but we could get a cheap veteran much easier in the future when they can play with Hibbert, PG, Lance, West..
      Proud owner of 'Dutch Pacers'

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      • #93
        Re: How do we keep Lance?

        If the NBA salary page is correct, the Pacers have 65.7 million in salary next year with 11 players signed. If the LT is at 73/75 million then we have 8/9 million to resign Lance and sign 2 other players. Doing so means we let Granger walk and probably Scola (whose guaranteed salary is only around $400,00, I think) We don't e. rally have anyway to trade Cope or Ian unless we get 2/3 entry level players in a trade. 3-2nd round draft choices?

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        • #94
          Re: How do we keep Lance?

          There is no way Lance will get $10 million per year. Yes he's having a great stretch, but give him a few games and he'll slump again (like a lot of players) and I'd like to see people re-evaluate his contract.


          Granger's contract is coming off the books. If Granger is to remain a Pacer, he'll have to take a huge pay cut.

          I see Lance getting something around the MLE
          "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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          • #95
            Re: How do we keep Lance?

            Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
            Here's another way you keep Lance: Larry needs to tell Lance to just ham it up. Do his airhumps constantly. Make it so every team despises him. That will kill his value if GMs think it will destroy a locker room.
            That despite would go right out the window if there's a chance he might be airhumping for them.

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            • #96
              Re: How do we keep Lance?

              Originally posted by croz24 View Post
              Fair point. IMO it was and will forever be an idiotic trade considering we traded for a point guard in the final year of his rookie contract by giving up arguably the most versatile player in the entire draft with twice as much potential and even ability as Hill, and set to be on a rookie contract for the next 4 years. While point guard is an important position, the league is littered with quality players who can play it. It is unquestionably the deepest position in the league, so there is no point in forcing yourself to have to pay for a guy at a position you really don't need to pay much for. Then factor in the importance of wings with length and athleticism who can defend, rebound, and hit a jumper, and then you have an idiotic trade... IMO.
              Not that idiotic, seeing as how we had Danny and a blossoming PG manning the wing positions. We we weaker at pg. GHill has been an important part of the team turnaround. I do like Kawhi Leonard though.

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              • #97
                Re: How do we keep Lance?

                Larry said just last week that he'll make Lance a fair offer this summer but that he's fine in going another direction if he has to. Take him for his word, there is a limit as to what he will pay Lance. We already have 2 max contract players going forward in PG and Hibbert. Hibbert will almost certainly opt out after next year and we'll have to pay him more then Paul again at which point we'll have 2 players making more then 18 mil. I do not want Larry to be in a position where letting Hibbert go is an option. I don't care how much Lance has improved he's not worth losing Hibbert. I could see Larry moving players to keep Lance but I doubt if he'd move George Hill. We can only guess at how far Larry will go but since that's where we are I don't see Larry giving Lance more then 8 mil before letting him walk. We have to face the reality that Granger will likely be gone and if Lance continues to improve between now and this summer then that is becoming another reality that we may have to face. I'm just enjoying this special season for what it is and I'm hoping we can keep Lance within our salary structure.
                Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                • #98
                  Re: How do we keep Lance?

                  Life finds a way.

                  To all you people *****ing about George Hill: The Copeland contract is a bigger killer than Hill's.

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                  • #99
                    Re: How do we keep Lance?

                    Would a team really invest a lot of their money on such a loose cannon? Lance needs structure. I can't imagine a rebuilding team throwing money at him expecting Lance to be the leader/face of the franchise
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                    • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                      Originally posted by cdash View Post
                      Life finds a way.

                      To all you people *****ing about George Hill: The Copeland contract is a bigger killer than Hill's.
                      What's up with Copeland? He couldn't even beat Butler or S. Hill for minutes at thee SF position
                      "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                      • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                        Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
                        What's up with Copeland? He couldn't even beat Butler or S. Hill for minutes at thee SF position
                        He has cornered a very niche market in this league: A stretch power forward in a small forward's body who can't really guard either position effectively.

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                        • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                          Originally posted by cdash View Post
                          He has cornered a very niche market in this league: A stretch power forward in a small forward's body who can't really guard either position effectively.
                          IDK. I think he's cornered the market for garbage minutes.

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                          • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                            IDK. I think he's cornered the market for garbage minutes.
                            The day that Scola arrived here is the day that Copeland became a bench player.

                            When they went after Copeland, they didn't suspect the possibility of getting Scola.

                            It's hard to be too critical of this circumstance. When a player like Scola comes around, you go for it.

                            One does wonder however, how a Copeland / Plumlee second team would have looked with some run.

                            http://valleyofthesuns.com/2013/12/2...miles-plumlee/

                            I will not think about this much however, if we win a national championship this year.

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                            • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                              Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                              The day that Scola arrived here is the day that Copeland became a bench player.

                              When they went after Copeland, they didn't suspect the possibility of getting Scola.

                              It's hard to be too critical of this circumstance. When a player like Scola comes around, you go for it.

                              One does wonder however, how a Copeland / Plumlee second team would have looked with some run.

                              http://valleyofthesuns.com/2013/12/2...miles-plumlee/

                              I will not think about this much however, if we win a national championship this year.
                              You're absolutely right...the only reason Copeland has sat is because Scola became available. And despite some nice rebounding numbers from Plumlee in Phoenix, he's also getting starter minutes which he wouldn't have gotten here. Copeland seems like a good guy, but strictly a one-trick pony...a poor man's Kyle Korver really...great 3 point shooter, not a great passer, and a liability on D (not that Scola is great, but he plays good team D).

                              In a playoff scenario, I'd much prefer the court vison/savvy and international experience of a Scola. No matter which way you slice it, both Copeland and Plumlee were 2nd year players effectively. Scola can stabilize the second unit when the wheels start falling off, while C-P would just get pulled for the starters.

                              I think the guys here who think Lance can be signed for just above the MLE, or even George Hill money, are going to be shocked. I really wouldn't be floored if some idiot GM gave him a max contract, but I think 10-12 mil isn't at all unrealistic given that an underachiever like Tyreke Evans got 10 mil/yr...and his potential and resume isn't that impressive. Desperate GMs do desperate things.

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                              • Re: How do we keep Lance?

                                That really sucks Tyreke Evans got $10 million. He couldn't hold Lance's jock. How much is Kyrie expected to make? Lance is better than him as well
                                Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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