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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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How do we keep Lance?

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  • #61
    Re: How do we keep Lance?

    I think a lot of misconceptions about our salary cap space come from George's contract. He got the 5/30% in a way, but Lowe said that he is closer to 5/28%, which is of course a big difference. PG isn't even going to be our highest paid player next year or the year after. That's still Hibbert. George's contract is a steal for the kind of production he is giving us on both ends.

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    • #62
      Re: How do we keep Lance?

      Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
      If Toronto throws ridiculous money at Lance to try to keep Nash from going to Indiana, then that's a good comparison.
      Lances agent is still going to use this... You mean to tell me that my client isnt worth what Landry Fields is?? I hope that you are right, and that there is no market for Lance, but I have a feeling that you would be best serve to make a habit of wearing Depends onces the FA signing period rolls around...
      Abba Zaba, your my only friend.

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      • #63
        Re: How do we keep Lance?

        Originally posted by bballpacen View Post

        There are really some that think that someone will throw that kind of money at Landry Freakin Fields, and Lance wont get and offer of 10+... SMH
        Lance can certainly get an offer of 10+ but thankfully Bryan Colangelo is not a GM anymore.
        Originally posted by IrishPacer
        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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        • #64
          Re: How do we keep Lance?

          Lance's agent will get all he can out of Larry and the Pacers. No doubt. Like I said earlier, $10m sounds about right. I'm not 100% sure he would hit that on the open market, but like Hill and West, the Pacers will make him an offer he can't refuse.

          I would be 1000% more worried about Lance leaving if Brooklyn had salary cap space. Fortunately they are run by a bunch of basketball illiterates who built the worst team imaginable.

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          • #65
            Re: How do we keep Lance?

            Fields got that money because at the time he looked like an important piece for the Knicks. It was the Nash sweepstakes and Colangelo wanted to force the Knicks to match a big offer for Fields (because he was clearly so important) to kill their cap space. They didn't, because even the Knicks are smarter than Colangelo.

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            • #66
              Re: How do we keep Lance?

              I don't think that people realize how bad of a GM Colangelo was.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • #67
                Re: How do we keep Lance?

                Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                Afflalo got 8 million before he stepped it up.

                DeRozan is at 10 million and he isn't as good.

                Landry Fields got 8.5 million and he isn't nearly as good.

                Just a few(I stole from a poster on RealGM cuz I was lazy).
                Affalo at the time he got paid was way overpaid, Fields got 8.5mil because Toronto was trying to screw NY so they wouldn't get Nash and De Rosan got overpaid because Toronto has not other choice but to overpay(nobody is going there).

                Lance is going to get about the same money guys like Redick, JR and Korver got, now if he is an all star yeah he is 10mil+.
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                • #68
                  Re: How do we keep Lance?

                  Also, Afflao makes 7.5, to be clear.

                  Conley makes 8.7. Ray Allen makes 3.2. Nate Robinson makes 2.0 STEPH CURRY MAKES JUST SHY OF 10 MIL.

                  What have we learned through this exercise? Some guys are paid too much, some guys are paid too little. Some guys are paid just right.

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                  • #69
                    Re: How do we keep Lance?

                    Here are teams with salary cap space next year, from Hoopsworld:

                    Lakers: 25.8 million
                    Philadelphia: 20.2 to 32.7 million (depends on Evan Turner's and Lavoy Allen's QO)
                    Dallas: 31 million
                    Utah Jazz — $23-43 million (Gordon Hayward's QO and a bunch of not guaranteed contracts)
                    Phoenix Suns — $19.5 million
                    Charlotte Bobcats — $19 million
                    Orlando Magic — $19 million
                    Washington Wizards — $15 million
                    Atlanta Hawks — $12 million
                    Detroit Pistons — $12 million
                    Milwaukee Bucks — $12 million
                    Golden State Warriors — $10 million
                    Toronto Raptors — $3-23 million (Salmons, Amir Johnson, and Hansbrough are not guaranteed)
                    San Antonio Spurs — $7 million
                    Cleveland Cavaliers — 6.5-$24 million (Bynum, Clark, and Varejao are not guaranteed contracts)

                    The Grizzlies will have about $18m if Randolph opts out. The Bulls will have $12m if Boozer gets the amnesty.

                    http://www.hoopsworld.com/looking-to...14s-salary-cap

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                    • #70
                      Re: How do we keep Lance?

                      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                      I don't think that people realize how bad of a GM Colangelo was.
                      He hurt Toronto really bad. They got a great GM to replace him, but even then it might take 3 to 5 years to rebuild there. I would feel bad for the Raptors if their fans weren't obnoxious.

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                      • #71
                        Re: How do we keep Lance?

                        I just hope that fans around here don't fall into the predictable trap of, "Lance is loyal to the Pacers and loves it here, so he will give the Pacers a discount".

                        The Pacers were Brad Miller's home state team and I think that he really wanted to stay here, but he sure as hell wasn't going to give us a discount.

                        All we used to hear was that Roy loved being a Pacer so much and was so grateful for the opportunity we gave him, yet that guy was ready to bolt to Portland in a heartbeat if the Pacers wouldn't have matched.

                        Lance has been making absolute pennies by NBA standards. He has spent four years watching his teammates make insane amounts of money, and he's going to be ready to finally make some big jack himself. He's going to take the biggest offer, as he should. I just hope people around here don't fall into the deadly "he loves it here and will give us a discount" trap. That always bites fans.

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                        • #72
                          Re: How do we keep Lance?

                          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                          I just hope that fans around here don't fall into the predictable trap of, "Lance is loyal to the Pacers and loves it here, so he will give the Pacers a discount".

                          The Pacers were Brad Miller's home state team and I think that he really wanted to stay here, but he sure as hell wasn't going to give us a discount.

                          All we used to hear was that Roy loved being a Pacer so much and was so grateful for the opportunity we gave him, yet that guy was ready to bolt to Portland in a heartbeat if the Pacers wouldn't have matched.

                          Lance has been making absolute pennies by NBA standards. He has spent four years watching his teammates make insane amounts of money, and he's going to be ready to finally make some big jack himself. He's going to take the biggest offer, as he should. I just hope people around here don't fall into the deadly "he loves it here and will give us a discount" trap. That always bites fans.
                          I agree with you, except that I think that he would give us a slight discount... If we are to make it close, I think that he would stay with us... Kid wants to make money not doubt, but I also get the sense that he loves playing, and playing with this particular group of guys...
                          Abba Zaba, your my only friend.

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                          • #73
                            Re: How do we keep Lance?

                            I think if we match he would stay.

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                            • #74
                              Re: How do we keep Lance?

                              Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                              I think if we match he would stay.
                              Well I'd hope so. I'd be stunned if he left if all offers were equal.

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                              • #75
                                Re: How do we keep Lance?

                                I think that most Teams would price his market value between $6 to 8 mil a year cuz he's playing at that level now....a Starting Quality Combo Guard that can handle the ball and score. But I guarantee you that some Team will make an overpaid offer to Lance with some Contract STARTING at $9 mil...if not up to $10 mil a year.....which means that dumping Copeland is the only option that we really have.

                                BTW...IMHO....many of you may think that it is easy to simply to dump Copeland for an expiring Contract.....but I don't think it is as easy as many of you say it is. Trading Copeland, OJ and a 2nd is the best option that we have and AT MOST what I hope to get it done.
                                Last edited by CableKC; 12-24-2013, 02:35 AM.
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