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    Not saying we have to trade Hill now. We can wait until the offseason.

    Make no mistake though, that is the only way we are keeping Stephenson.
    This is just simply not true

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    Lance will get about $10m per year I would guess now. If he gets that, you trade Copeland and you're under the luxury tax. Right now, including George's deal, we are set to have $65m on the books. The luxury tax for this year is $71.7m. Trading Copeland and waiving Sloan's non-guaranteed contract will get it.

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    No way.

    Lance is looking at around 10 mil the way he is playing.

    Look at how other SGs around the league are paid.
    I would like to see a list to compare him to other players you might be right though.

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    We have so many good players. There are going to be some tough decisions this coming year. I fully expect Lance to remain a Pacer. You have to have talent to win championships and he's got it. So does PG24 and Hibbert. Those are the big 3...although it feels like we might have a big 7 or something like that.

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    Here's another way you keep Lance: Larry needs to tell Lance to just ham it up. Do his airhumps constantly. Make it so every team despises him. That will kill his value if GMs think it will destroy a locker room.

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    Say we do trade Hill, do we let Stephenson play the point? Not sure why we would trade Hill though, why not Copeland? To the Lakers? He fits in that system

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    Last time I felt this good about the Pacers future was 4th quarter of the brawl game right before it all imploded.

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    Not sure how you can say we idiotically made this trade, given the success that we have had since... Especially if we are to end up champions, there is no way you can say it was an idiotic trade... The extension, sure, you could make the case it was idiotic, but it is debatable...
    Fair point. IMO it was and will forever be an idiotic trade considering we traded for a point guard in the final year of his rookie contract by giving up arguably the most versatile player in the entire draft with twice as much potential and even ability as Hill, and set to be on a rookie contract for the next 4 years. While point guard is an important position, the league is littered with quality players who can play it. It is unquestionably the deepest position in the league, so there is no point in forcing yourself to have to pay for a guy at a position you really don't need to pay much for. Then factor in the importance of wings with length and athleticism who can defend, rebound, and hit a jumper, and then you have an idiotic trade... IMO.

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    Here's another way you keep Lance: Larry needs to tell Lance to just ham it up. Do his airhumps constantly. Make it so every team despises him. That will kill his value if GMs think it will destroy a locker room.
    This is the best idea ever.

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    Granger won't be re-signed, obviously. So that helps. Scola's contract isn't guaranteed, so that's ~$4 million that can come off the books. Not ideal, but I'd rather say goodbye to Scola than Lance.

    Lance isn't going anywhere. Hill being here doesn't make it harder to keep him. Though it would be nice if Simon would be willing to pay a smidgen of the luxury tax.
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    We will keep Lance.

    Bird is no idiot- he knows that you don't let a still improving 23 year old with tons of talent get away.

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    Not saying we have to trade Hill now. We can wait until the offseason.

    Make no mistake though, that is the only way we are keeping Stephenson.
    Trading Mahinmi and Copeland will free up 7 million. We will probably have 6 or 7 millions already so by trading those 2 we can afford to keep him unless someone offers him the max.
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    In all fairness, when we resigned Hill, no one knew PG, let alone Lance would develop as they have...
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    There is always that stretch option for Mahinmi that somebody suggested online.

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    Any team out there that would realistically take Hill's contract?
    A lot of teams. He is a good player on a good contract so it could be quite easy to move him if we wanted to do it. I don't think that we want to do it, though.
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    The best route to take is to trade Copeland before February 20th 2014 while getting back nothing but Expiring contracts.

    Hopefully dangling OJ and the Warriors 2nd round pick as sweetner could get such a deal done.
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    If Lance can be signed for under $10 million then the Pacers won't have to do a lot to clear enough space to sign him.

    I worry about some over eager team with loads of cap space offering him $12-$13 million a year.

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    Fair point. IMO it was and will forever be an idiotic trade considering we traded for a point guard in the final year of his rookie contract by giving up arguably the most versatile player in the entire draft with twice as much potential and even ability as Hill, and set to be on a rookie contract for the next 4 years. While point guard is an important position, the league is littered with quality players who can play it. It is unquestionably the deepest position in the league, so there is no point in forcing yourself to have to pay for a guy at a position you really don't need to pay much for. Then factor in the importance of wings with length and athleticism who can defend, rebound, and hit a jumper, and then you have an idiotic trade... IMO.

    But you have to keep in mind where the team was in 2011 when the deal was made. We were coming off of that Bulls series in which we competed hard against them. However, our achilles heel in that series was our inability to score points down the stretch because of our relative youth and inexperience. Thus, our biggest need was not another rookie to add to an already super young team. Instead, we needed a proven play maker whose experience could help us in tight situations. Bird went out and got the team those players with Hill and West, and those two guys brought experience and professionalism which rubbed off on the entire team. Hill had only been in the NBA for three years when we made that trade, but it was three years with an A+ Spurs organization, which would be like playing 5 years somewhere else.

    Leonard has obviously turned out to be a very good player, but it's not like we traded a pick that became Kobe Bryant or something. That trade made a ton of sense when you go back and look at what our weakness was in the Bulls series. We needed vets, not rookies. Hill has been a nice asset for this team over the last couple of years.
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    Dangle our 2016 1st rounder as a sweetener. If we keep Lance, that pick will be nothing again.

    Also, there is probably no way Lance makes the All-Star Game. When coaches are picking backups, do you think they'll take Afflalo or the guy who is constantly dancing while destroying their team?

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    Double that and you may be in the ballpark.

    Roy Hibbert got offered $14.5 million/year by the Blazers after one good season.
    Roy Hibbert is also one of the best Centers in the league. The Blazers were desperate for some rim protection and that's where Hibbert is elite at. Centers are at premium and Lance is not a Center.
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    Hill could drop 50 points while curing cancer and people would still want to ship him out.

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    Larry may leave before he lets Lance leave this team.

    Larry's probably striking a deal up with Herb right now....So Herb, if we make the finals, you let us go into the luxury tax...kapeesh?

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    Fair point. IMO it was and will forever be an idiotic trade considering we traded for a point guard in the final year of his rookie contract by giving up arguably the most versatile player in the entire draft with twice as much potential and even ability as Hill, and set to be on a rookie contract for the next 4 years. While point guard is an important position, the league is littered with quality players who can play it. It is unquestionably the deepest position in the league, so there is no point in forcing yourself to have to pay for a guy at a position you really don't need to pay much for. Then factor in the importance of wings with length and athleticism who can defend, rebound, and hit a jumper, and then you have an idiotic trade... IMO.
    Valid concern in trading for a rookie on the final year of his deal... The trade was made because Hill was and is a known quantity, and one who became said quantity in arguably one of the best franchises in sporting history for developing young talent... I look at it as they minimized the risk by getting a known player... Going back and looking, there was not really anyone player available that I would have rather had over Hill (Kawhi and Parsons aside)...

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    Dangle our 2016 1st rounder as a sweetener. If we keep Lance, that pick will be nothing again.

    Also, there is probably no way Lance makes the All-Star Game. When coaches are picking backups, do you think they'll take Afflalo or the guy who is constantly dancing while destroying their team?
    This, coaches aren't voting in Stephenson. Most of them probably hate him

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    Lance is looking at around 10 mil the way he is playing.
    Possibly. But we can afford that without trading any core player. We have to see where the new cap is set for the next season but chances are that our starting budget will be 6 or 7 millions. All we need to do is trade Mahinmi or Copeland and we can save up enough in order to offer him a 10 million contract.
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