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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • #46
    Re: How do we keep Lance?

    Hill could drop 50 points while curing cancer and people would still want to ship him out.

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    • #47
      Re: How do we keep Lance?

      Larry may leave before he lets Lance leave this team.

      Larry's probably striking a deal up with Herb right now....So Herb, if we make the finals, you let us go into the luxury tax...kapeesh?

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      • #48
        Re: How do we keep Lance?

        Originally posted by croz24 View Post
        Fair point. IMO it was and will forever be an idiotic trade considering we traded for a point guard in the final year of his rookie contract by giving up arguably the most versatile player in the entire draft with twice as much potential and even ability as Hill, and set to be on a rookie contract for the next 4 years. While point guard is an important position, the league is littered with quality players who can play it. It is unquestionably the deepest position in the league, so there is no point in forcing yourself to have to pay for a guy at a position you really don't need to pay much for. Then factor in the importance of wings with length and athleticism who can defend, rebound, and hit a jumper, and then you have an idiotic trade... IMO.
        Valid concern in trading for a rookie on the final year of his deal... The trade was made because Hill was and is a known quantity, and one who became said quantity in arguably one of the best franchises in sporting history for developing young talent... I look at it as they minimized the risk by getting a known player... Going back and looking, there was not really anyone player available that I would have rather had over Hill (Kawhi and Parsons aside)...
        Abba Zaba, your my only friend.

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        • #49
          Re: How do we keep Lance?

          Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
          Dangle our 2016 1st rounder as a sweetener. If we keep Lance, that pick will be nothing again.

          Also, there is probably no way Lance makes the All-Star Game. When coaches are picking backups, do you think they'll take Afflalo or the guy who is constantly dancing while destroying their team?
          This, coaches aren't voting in Stephenson. Most of them probably hate him

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          • #50
            Re: How do we keep Lance?

            Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
            Lance is looking at around 10 mil the way he is playing.
            Possibly. But we can afford that without trading any core player. We have to see where the new cap is set for the next season but chances are that our starting budget will be 6 or 7 millions. All we need to do is trade Mahinmi or Copeland and we can save up enough in order to offer him a 10 million contract.
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • #51
              Re: How do we keep Lance?

              Last I saw luxury tax was projected to be over 75m. We're fine signing Lance on a 4 year deal like 8m, 10m, 10m, 12m. Should be able to get up to 10m in year one without dropping anyone and 13m in year one if we can ship Copelands contract. I don't see a problem.

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              • #52
                Re: How do we keep Lance?

                Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                Dangle our 2016 1st rounder as a sweetener. If we keep Lance, that pick will be nothing again.

                Also, there is probably no way Lance makes the All-Star Game. When coaches are picking backups, do you think they'll take Afflalo or the guy who is constantly dancing while destroying their team?
                Affalo is not going to make it because his team sucks, this is when coaches don't vote for players in crappy teams because crappy teams inflate some players stats(the so call myth lol).
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • #53
                  Re: How do we keep Lance?

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  I would like to see a list to compare him to other players you might be right though.
                  Afflalo got 8 million before he stepped it up.

                  DeRozan is at 10 million and he isn't as good.

                  Landry Fields got 8.5 million and he isn't nearly as good.

                  Just a few(I stole from a poster on RealGM cuz I was lazy).

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                  • #54
                    Re: How do we keep Lance?

                    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                    Possibly. But we can afford that without trading any core player. We have to see where the new cap is set for the next season but chances are that our starting budget will be 6 or 7 millions. All we need to do is trade Mahinmi or Copeland and we can save up enough in order to offer him a 10 million contract.
                    I was not aware of that, thank you for clearing that up. I didn't realize that was an option.

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                    • #55
                      Re: How do we keep Lance?

                      Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                      Afflalo got 8 million before he stepped it up.

                      DeRozan is at 10 million and he isn't as good.

                      Landry Fields got 8.5 million and he isn't nearly as good.

                      Just a few(I stole from a poster on RealGM cuz I was lazy).
                      Yeah, and keep in mind that teams always want to scoop players off of elite teams. That will also help drive Lance's value up. Everyone around the NBA watched last year when Lance had some big moments in the playoffs (especially Game 6 against NY). Well, he will once again be performing on the national stage this spring when we make our inevitable march to the ECF's against the Heat. Since he is a better player than last year, that means he should have even more big moments in the playoffs that turn heads with the entire NBA world watching. That will drive his value up. Austin Croshere basically got a huge contract because he played very good in the NBA Finals with the whole world watching. Some people are going to be really surprised when they see what it costs to keep Lance.

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                      • #56
                        Re: How do we keep Lance?

                        If the luxury tax goes up by the same percentage as it did this year, it will be about $73m. We get Copeland's $3m off the books, and we have $11m to spend. We can re-sign Lance and still have breathing room. I do think if Lance went to another team the players would beat him with socks full of golf balls for some taunting he did this year.

                        Lance is more valuable to the Pacers than he is for everyone else. I love Lance, but he is a hothead and unpredictable. We know what he does when he isn't around Larry Bird. We saw what a mess he was in the first 19 years of his life. We see what he is with Larry Bird. A fine citizen and a better basketball player. Other teams don't know if he will revert to old Lance if he loses his support in Indiana. Plus, I know that his family loves Indianapolis and so does Lance. This is the best place for Lance. Larry knows it, his family knows it, and he knows it too.

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                        • #57
                          Re: How do we keep Lance?

                          Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                          Afflalo got 8 million before he stepped it up.

                          DeRozan is at 10 million and he isn't as good.

                          Landry Fields got 8.5 million and he isn't nearly as good.

                          Just a few(I stole from a poster on RealGM cuz I was lazy).

                          There are really some that think that someone will throw that kind of money at Landry Freakin Fields, and Lance wont get and offer of 10+... SMH
                          Abba Zaba, your my only friend.

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                          • #58
                            Re: How do we keep Lance?

                            Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                            Afflalo got 8 million before he stepped it up.

                            DeRozan is at 10 million and he isn't as good.

                            Landry Fields got 8.5 million and he isn't nearly as good.

                            Just a few(I stole from a poster on RealGM cuz I was lazy).
                            To be fair, Landry Fields' deal was the Raptors trying to be cute and screwing over the Knicks, which failed for them. DeRozan got a lot of money from Colangelo who is a Kahn-tier GM. Monta Ellis is a better comparison. He got $8m last year after a pretty long period of success.

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                            • #59
                              Re: How do we keep Lance?

                              Originally posted by bballpacen View Post

                              There are really some that think that someone will throw that kind of money at Landry Freakin Fields, and Lance wont get and offer of 10+... SMH
                              If Toronto throws ridiculous money at Lance to try to keep Nash from going to Indiana, then that's a good comparison.

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                              • #60
                                Re: How do we keep Lance?

                                Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                                Landry Fields got 8.5 million and he isn't nearly as good.
                                That was a Bryan Colangelo, though. He has the tendency to overpay players by a lot. He wasn't a good GM. Thankfully, he is not a GM anymore.

                                One thing that can help us is that they are only 2 truly awful FOs in the league (New York and Brooklyn) and thankfully both of them are capped out.
                                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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