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  • #31
    Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

    At this juncture, and I understand and appreciate all the problems everyone is coming up with, I am truly bothered by the current dynamic with Lance. I am a big fan of Lance, even though he does still have some immaturity issues at times. However, I am concerned that he isn't allowed to play through some of his mistakes. Doesn't anyone else find it funny that Legend said he thinks Lance can play the 1 but the coaches don't, and then last night when Lance was single-handedly handling LeHeat in the first half with his dictation, Vogel went away from him in the 2nd? I don't think Vogel trusts Lance. I didn't used to trust Lance. Now I trust Lance, and I think his ceiling is extremely high. Let the kid make some mistakes without the threat of being frozen out. Yeah, he can be dumb, but so can Hill and PG, and the Pacers pay him lots of money (deservedly so).

    There were a few on here who used to say Lance had the highest ceiling on the team. I used to snicker. Now I've had to accept that may be the case. Just my 2 cents.

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    • #32
      Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

      Originally posted by CoolHand View Post
      Actually, you can see on the replay that Roy stepped on the foot of Chalmbers which made him fall over... It was actually a good call - it sure didn't look like a foul in real time, though. There were plenty of other calls they blew
      Way I saw it Chalmers stepped on Hibbert's foot first.

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      • #33
        Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        But it is not by design. Frank said afrter the game the guys were holding the ball too much, they started walking the ball up and not moving the ball from side to side.
        I haven't heard him say anything about off-the-ball player movement, though. Have I missed it? I think the problem is not that there isn't ball movement so much as that there isn't any place to move the ball when everyone stands around.
        BillS

        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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        • #34
          Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

          Candace Buckner ‏@CandaceDBuckner 4m
          More ratings news for #Pacers: last night's game vs the #Heat delivered the highest overnight rating for an NBA game on ESPN of the season.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #35
            Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            Vogel trusted Hibbert not to commit an stupid foul there I kind of understand why he did it after all Roy has been smart about not committing stupid fouls all year, I blame Roy for trying to go for the block instead of staying vertical.
            Yeah, Roy played right into LeBron's hands last night. I think he's been getting a little sloppy on the verticality the last bunch of games and he finally got caught.
            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #36
              Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
              Candace Buckner ‏@CandaceDBuckner 4m
              More ratings news for #Pacers: last night's game vs the #Heat delivered the highest overnight rating for an NBA game on ESPN of the season.
              Yeah, clearly putting this matchup on national TV after it was your highest non-Finals rated series would have been a bad idea. Good job NBA.
              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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              • #37
                Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

                Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                Yeah, clearly putting this matchup on national TV after it was your highest non-Finals rated series would have been a bad idea. Good job NBA.
                I get irritated every time I see that NBA Christmas wreath promoting the Christmas games with the likes of the Knicks and Nets. There's simply no excuse for the Pacers not being one of the ten teams featured on Christmas.

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                • #38
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  Vogel trusted Hibbert not to commit an stupid foul there I kind of understand why he did it after all Roy has been smart about not committing stupid fouls all year, I blame Roy for trying to go for the block instead of staying vertical.
                  Agree 100%

                  Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                  I get irritated every time I see that NBA Christmas wreath promoting the Christmas games with the likes of the Knicks and Nets. There's simply no excuse for the Pacers not being one of the ten teams featured on Christmas.
                  Sure there is, most bad NY and LA teams are still more popular than most good Midwest teams.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

                    Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
                    Sure there is, most bad NY and LA teams are still more popular than most good Midwest teams.
                    Simply untrue. The Pacers are setting all time and seasonal record highs while the NY teams are setting seasonal lows. If that statement was true, then ratings would reflect it, but they don't.
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      The obvious question is exactly when do you pull him. Do you do it with 1 minute and ten seconds. Do you do it with 55 seconds left. 45 seconds. 25 seconds.

                      The question isn't whether you do it or not, but when. Roy picked up number 3 with 57.8 left in the second quarter.
                      I'm saying 2 minutes and under, with that lead, if there's any natural stoppage of the game. I'm taking him out.

                      As for our offense, we do far too much dribbling and don't really get into any sort of offense until there 10 seconds left in the shotclock. Our perimeter playsers are extended well past the 3 point line and don't really try to get into the shell of Miami's defense until there are 6 or 7 seconds left on the shot clock. I know we want to slow the game down, but at the same time, it would be nice to see this team make some quick passes and swing the ball. Work the ball inside, work it outside.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

                        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                        Simply untrue. The Pacers are setting all time and seasonal record highs while the NY teams are setting seasonal lows. If that statement was true, then ratings would reflect it, but they don't.
                        I'm no fan of how they divvy up games, but seriously you are started to get into the "I don't know what I am talking about" territory. You are making logical assumptions that have no proof behind them. The Pacers vs Miami has had great numbers, unsurprisingly, but that doesn't mean the Pacers vs (insert team here) would even get close to similar numbers. As well you are using a lot of hindsight in your assumptions. The NY teams have had a lot of hype the past couple seasons, and were both expected to be good teams. If that had held true they would both, without a doubt, almost always have a bigger pull than the Pacers with the only exceptions being when the Pacers play the Heat.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

                          How is it that our offense remains bland and stale? I love Vogel, but I still say the biggest mistake was not getting an offensive minded coach.

                          Lance had a terrific first half, and then barely a whisper in the 2nd? Was that the Heat or did the Pacers just change things up? To blow a huge lead like that and lose...really bad loss right there. Pacers had it and fumbled it away cause they couldn't execute on the offensive end. There was little to no ball movement and off the ball movement it seemed in the 2nd half. Not sure what happened there.

                          Lot's of blame. Hill continues to stink up the joint with his overall lad back attitude and constantly dribbling down the clock. Really wish the guy would play aggressive. When he does, this team is pretty unstoppable. I understand the Pacers want to slow the game down, but the Pacers just have to find a way to get into their offensive sets more quickly. Too many terrible shots with shot clock expiring...or taking the shot clock violation.

                          Not sure what his deal is. Hibbert hasn't been playing well either. PG hadn't either, but at least he came to play tonight.

                          This team could really use a healthy Granger.

                          Most importantly, the Pacers simply have to learn from this game. The Heat are very good. It's gonna take a lot to beat them in the playoffs.
                          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

                            Originally posted by PR07 View Post
                            I'm saying 2 minutes and under, with that lead, if there's any natural stoppage of the game. I'm taking him out.

                            As for our offense, we do far too much dribbling and don't really get into any sort of offense until there 10 seconds left in the shotclock. Our perimeter playsers are extended well past the 3 point line and don't really try to get into the shell of Miami's defense until there are 6 or 7 seconds left on the shot clock. I know we want to slow the game down, but at the same time, it would be nice to see this team make some quick passes and swing the ball. Work the ball inside, work it outside.
                            It doesn't matter who is handling the ball it is always the same. Slowing it down doesn't mean take your time, it means be patient and get the best shot possible.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

                              Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                              I'm no fan of how they divvy up games, but seriously you are started to get into the "I don't know what I am talking about" territory. You are making logical assumptions that have no proof behind them. The Pacers vs Miami has had great numbers, unsurprisingly, but that doesn't mean the Pacers vs (insert team here) would even get close to similar numbers. As well you are using a lot of hindsight in your assumptions. The NY teams have had a lot of hype the past couple seasons, and were both expected to be good teams. If that had held true they would both, without a doubt, almost always have a bigger pull than the Pacers with the only exceptions being when the Pacers play the Heat.
                              I'm not using any hindsight. I was laughing at their decision the moment the schedule came out. Also, I'm not assuming the Pacers and (insert team here) would draw the ratings. My argument is that the Pacers/Heat brought in ratings in the playoffs, and it's stupid not to highlight that matchup nationally. It has nothing to do with the other teams, I'm talking specifically about the Pacers and Heat.
                              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespected by the champs...

                                Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
                                Agree 100%



                                Sure there is, most bad NY and LA teams are still more popular than most good Midwest teams.
                                I'll buy that the Lakers have a large national fan base, but NO ONE outside of NYC cares about the Knicks. Sure the NYC market is worth a lot in ratings, but no one outside of the tri-state area is interested in that cesspool of a team, yet the NBA continuously shoves them down our throats.

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