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    Bron Rules. Its the new old NBA. Used to be Jordan Rules. If you are those guys you can get away with anything.
    You do realize the phrase Jordan rules, had nothing to do with the refs, officiating or anything of the kind. Jordan rules had everything to do with the way the Pistons used to defend him in the late 80's and early 90's

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    Well the play doesn't call for the player to jump out of bounds. I am talking about the play call which IMO is a good call, the execution of the play and the good defense by Lebron was the problem. It is a good play call, I have zero problems with it
    My problem with the call is that they were only down 1 with a lot of time left now if they needed a 3 you might have a point.

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    I suppose it's not "poor" when your starting center scores 6 with 2 boards in 22 mins. Two of the fouls were the complete opposite of the vaunted, "verticality", "rim protector", "DPOY". Swinging his arms down when all he had to do was maintain position. Reminded me of a 2nd year Smits. While I was screaming to get him out with 4, Bosch held the ball for 5 secs before he slowly moved into the lane to draw his 5th. And Roy gave it to him. Gave it to him.

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    Seriously? I can't let this go without comment.

    How many *hundreds* of times has Hibbert made the right move this freaking year and changed the whole course of the game in our favor? You're going to go postal because he was unable to stay fully vertical for two of his fouls??

    I would say that two of Roy's fouls were cheap/unfortunate calls. Every player should be afforded room to make 2-3 mistakes/game.

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    To be honest, when I realized he wasn't giving up the ball I kinda expected the worst. He's just not the guy to be asking to dribble/drive against Miami.
    Yeah I felt the same way I knew something bad was going to happen, I haven't been too confident with George Hill this year.

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    I don't think Roy was ready to be a primary option on offense late. He was looking stiff from sitting so long. West and PG were the correct late game options
    Good point about Roy. Would have loved seeing it go to West since he had been on fire all night. He could have backed someone down and shot a j or driven it to the hoop and score/draw a foul, as graphicer mentioned.

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    That Turnover was on George. Why all the hate towards Hill seriously
    I tend to agree with you. The play is for PG to be in the dead corner and he broke towards the basket, so the pass was off. But in PG's defense I do understand why he did that because Lebron was right there. But still a mistake by PG

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    That game deeply upset me. I did not have an enjoyable experience watching that NBA basketball game.

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    The last play wasn't so much the problem as the team taking their foot off the pedal in the 4th and trying to protect the lead rather than staying aggressive.... IMHO...

    Although the last play won't win any awards either. But if the Pacers would've pushed it harder, got into their offense quicker, kept the ball moving then we probably don't need that last play to win either.

    West missed a couple of shots I wish he wouldn't have missed either (because I think those misses made the team tighten up). They were good plays and to use an oft-stated Bucknerism "He just missed"
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    I'll defend hill till I am blue in the fact, but we really do need Lance running more of the offense I feel. He creates opportunity. But I feel that he is sometimes so mistake prone its understandable why in a late game situation we have Hill doing it.

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    Seriously? I can't let this comment go without comment.

    How many *hundreds* of times has Hibbert made the right move this freaking year and changed the whole course of the game in our favor? You're going to go postal because he was unable to stay fully vertical for two of his fouls??

    I would say that two of Roy's fouls were cheap/unfortunate calls. Every player should be afforded room to make 2-3 mistakes/game.
    We are talking about his performance tonight. It was poor. Period. I like Roy. I appreciate who he is and what he brings to our team. I also understand the limitations. His inability to finish at the rim and other deficiencies on the offensive end are offset by a huge margin but what he brings on the defensive end. But we did not get that tonight.

    I am sure I have not hurt Roy's feelings about the critique on his performance tonight. I'm sure he would agree it was poor.

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    I know that Lance took that one hideous forced shot that allowed Miami to have that fastbreak, but I wish we would have put the ball in his hands a bit more down the stretch. He was a huge reason why we controlled that game for as long as we did.

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    I hate losing to the Heat as much as anyone, but the game excites the hell out of me. Can beat the Wizards, and Raptors and all the East crap to death, but these past 10 games or so have been a blast overall besides the Detroit loss.

    The Portland game and Miami game were two of the best played games of the year, the other team just happened to be better that night, well I guess in Miami's case they were better in the last 3 minutes.
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    I have seen a lot of people blame our point guard position for our loss tonight, but I actually blame Hibbert. He looks tired to me on the court and he is making sloppy decisions the past 3-4 games which has been resulting in extra fouls for him. Prior to this stretch he was very sharp and very good at resisting the urge to bring down his arms but he has made some extremely bad choices during the past few games as far as his defense goes.

    If Roy Hibbert doesn't sit basically the entire second half, we possibly don't squander our lead because wade would have had a much worse time trying to score in the post. He was abusing us.

    As one of the teams lead defenders and paint anchor, he needs to play smarter. He seems to be making tired mistakes lately and needs to play through that or have his minutes cut back for a while so he can regain some stamina. Maybe its Vogels fault for keeping him in, maybe its Hibbert's fault for not asking out. Either way that is what I think cost us the game. Refs and point guard faults aside)

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    That Turnover was on George. Why all the hate towards Hill seriously
    I agree (unless you are DH-B) that you gotta make that catch at least. even though it was a bad pass.

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    Doesn't matter, 2 hands on the waist of the ball handler at any time ( except if those hands belong to LeDecision ) in the NBA is a foul.
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    I agree (unless you are DH-B) that you gotta make that catch at least. even though it was a bad pass.
    It was only a bad pass because Hill had to correct at the last second because George wasn't where he was supposed to be

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    The Pacers really need to work on their passing and the tendency to dribble and get careless with the ball. They were taking A LOT of tough shots tonight and making a lot of them. But better passing is a better way to win the game. It seemed as though they got a little complacent and never got into kill mode.
    This, and I felt like at times they didn't seem to know what to do in terms of team offense, and they were looking and talking at each other for 5 seconds or more to figure out what they wanted to do. Reading and reacting is one thing, but they should know what the first move is much quicker than that. When they don't, even a good look seems less likely to go in because it's completely out of rhythm and thus there's no comfort for the shooter to just relax and nail it.

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    Hill didn't have half the game PG had but we can blame PG for everything and Hill for nothing lol

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    I'll defend hill till I am blue in the fact, but we really do need Lance running more of the offense I feel. He creates opportunity. But I feel that he is sometimes so mistake prone its understandable why in a late game situation we have Hill doing it.
    I agree on this. I want to see Good Lance....but concerned that we will see Bad Lance sub in at the worst time.
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    Mahinmi did his best to hold the paint.....but he took 2 more jumpshots than he should have in any game.
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    Hill didn't have half the game PG had but we can blame PG for everything and Hill for nothing lol
    No just blaming him for his actual mistakes. Pretty clear George was out of position on that pass.

    And if we want to talk about mistakes, lets talk about Georges defense in the first half.

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    Mahinmi did his best to hold the paint.....but he took 2 more jumpshots than he should have in any game.
    Why are we passing it to him with the shot clock expiring BTW

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    That Turnover was on George. Why all the hate towards Hill seriously
    I strongly disagree. The Pass was off target as Paul cut to the rim. Hill even acknowledged it was his fault.
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    No just blaming him for his actual mistakes. Pretty clear George was out of position on that pass.

    And if we want to talk about mistakes, lets talk about Georges defense in the first half.
    If you want to talk about defense lets talk about how Hill can't keep anyone in front of him. Chalmers has abused him the last dozen games.

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    Listen. This is coming from a Magic fan that watches all teams in the NBA all the time. Its as simple as this. You guys were simply cheated out of that game. I've watched 13 years of basketball and I all I can say is Wade should have fouled out. LeBron should have had three more fouls than he actually did. The last 15 possessions of the game was intentional officiating to get the Pacers to lose the game and keep the momentum going for the Heat. Not to mention the last play of the game. The NBA did not want the Pacers to win that game.

    LeBron even said it himself. "We had a great officiating crew". That was disgusting to watch.

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