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    Also in order to get a better point guard than Hill either you have to get one that is still on their rookie contract or someone who makes more money than Hill. Plus who are we going to give up to get such a player? WE don't have anyone to give up. I suppose the debate would be about who is better than Hill for our team
    Good argument, We have almost zero chance go upgrade Hill by replacing better pg. He has max lenght overpaid contract so also we don't have decent trading asset to compliment the trade.

    Just Hill needs to step up his game not by far. Shooting, offence, playmaking can be remain at the level right now, only needs to PLAY BETTER DEFENSE!!!
    George Hill is not a aging player like Nash or Jameer Nelson.
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    Totally agree, Hill didn't lose the game, he just didn't do much to help win it. Atleast Roy tried and his name appeared for something.
    right. George Hill didn't try. I'm outta here, you people are gonna get me banned.

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    Hill and our second round pick for Kyle Lowry

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    "You people"?!?

    Do you people not read the forum rules? Surely, you people can't just be calling you people, "you people"!!

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    "You people"?!?

    Do you people not read the forum rules? Surely, you people can't just be calling you people, "you people"!!
    Just gonna leave this here

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    So, does this get to be the 2013 - 2014 Kneejerk Reaction thread?
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    Lance. I know at the time Granger was healthy and Lance was an unknown so the Hill trade made more sense back then. The real problem is the $40 million contract that PrtichWalsh gave him in Bird's absence.
    Outside of his connection with Scola, Lance has done a pretty bad job running point with the second unit.

    Almost all of Lance's good play has been as a playmaker (not a point) in the starting lineup.

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    it'd make a lot more sense if Hill actually played like a floor general point. that's not a knock on Hill or anything, it's a knock on people that apparently don't pay attention. Hill plays just as much off guard as he handles the balls and initiates sets.

    we don't have a point guard. and we're 20-5, so I'm cool with that. but by all means, keep pretending George Hill lost this game for us, keep scapegoating. we were up 15 on the 2 time defending champs on their floor and lost. can't be on Roy, who makes the max, playing like crap, MUST BE HILL, the dude with one TO that wasn't even his fault!
    He might not have lost us the game...but he sure as hell didn't get us any closer to winning the game. And the same could be set about virtually every game we play against Miami, can we say that about Hibbert too? Hibbert has earned some leeway good grief.
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    That's BS, Larry can get that green grass. Hell he got Scola for Gerald freakin Green and Miles freakin Plumlee, what the hell you talkin about...
    You remember that Bird traded the majority of the Pacers short-term assets to get Scola, right?

    All the ELITE level PGs that everyone pines for aren't going to be traded.....so, I will ask what I always ask......what Starting level PG do you think that we can get for any combination of GH, Granger, Copeland, OJ, Solo and Mahinmi?
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    Well from my view I don't think Larry needs to go get a new PG, I think Stephenson can handle the roll fine. Hell, we don't even need to bench Hill, just let Lance run the offense, and give Paul George his usual point-forward time
    I understand that this is just a matter of opinion.....so I understand why you would want to have the offense flow through Lance more often. But I am not ( at least for now ) entirely comfortable with giving Lance the ball to run the offense full time whenever PG24 isn't doing it.
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    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    Watson appearing to have free range to go out their gunning. Watson was 1-6 and I think like 4 of those shots I was wondering why the hell he was shooting.
    CJ's role in the offense is the same as Chalmers role on the Heat....he's supposed to be that guy that facilitates the ball movement, wait at the 3pt line to take a shot, find his shot and take it.

    I don't like that he couldn't hit his shots this game....but what else is CJ supposed to do? His job is to hit 3pt shots and occassionally find a lane and drive to the hoop. Sometimes he hits them in games...other times...he doesn't.

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    Watson took twice as many shots as Roy in 5 fewer minutes. After what Roy did to the heat last game that is beyond stupid.
    That's the rest of the Team's and Vogel's fault for not focusing the offense on Hibbert. Now, I can see that this game CJ took some bad shots...but he only took 6 total shots. He didn't go all JR Smith on us and just jacked up shots. He took his shots...he wasn't hitting them...and he stopped.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    Let me start off by saying that I am a "Die Hard" Pacers fan and think the Pacers are the best team in basketball! I also believe baring a major injury they will finally win their 1st NBA Championship this year.

    Now let me get to the two other things that's driving me crazy. 1) Paul George. Although he has come a long way and will consistently be (in two more years) a long time top 5 NBA ball player, right now he lacks focus and discipline! You cannot play ball trying to be cool! Making lazy passes because he doesn't bend his knees before he makes the pass! Too often at critical times trying to dribble between two players as oppose to waiting on a pick to go around the defensive player or simply just pass, cut and maybe get the ball back for an easier shot. And the thing that he still has to learn, is you cannot wait until the 2nd half of the game to play ball; you have to be in attack mode from the opening tip! I'm a LeBron hater; but one thing I will say about LeBron, he brings it 90% of the time. Paul George stop playing with that thing on your wrist and focus on not trying to force a bounce pass between two people! Or putting the ball above your head when the double team is coming! Or making a basketball move standing straight up! Simple, fundamental basketball plays wins games!

    2) George Hill! Real nice kid from the community and a good addition to the Pacers team; but he is a back up Point Guard! You cannot be careless with the basketball and not know when to attack your opponent playing PG! You cannot pass the ball 20 feet away, at an angle and not expect the ball to be stolen! Before you make a pass you quickly survey the surroundings of the person you're throwing the ball to; you have to know when to dribble or reposition yourself to get a better angle to make the pass or you simply bring the ball back out and go in a different direction! You have to be vocal and lead your team! That doesn't mean you have to get in a guys face all the time (See Chauncey Billups); but he has to be a lot more assertive than he currently is! George Hill is not the answer at starting PG! Too many, like Paul George, critical mistakes at the wrong time! Your PG can't do that and it's time to seek a starting PG who will be more vocal, more assertive, know when to make the right pass and not wilt under pressure like George Hill too frequently does!

    With all that said, they'll still beat the heat when that time comes and still are the best team in the NBA! Just think how good they'll be if some of that stuff I just mentioned gets cleaned up!

    Roy Hibbert close your mouth and just play!
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    You remember that Bird traded the majority of the Pacers short-term assets to get Scola, right?

    All the ELITE level PGs that everyone pines for aren't going to be traded.....so, I will ask what I always ask......what Starting level PG do you think that we can get for any combination of GH, Granger, Copeland, OJ, Solo and Mahinmi?
    I know what your saying. I don't know that I want to see Hill traded, however, I don't think he is playing up to his contract when it comes to our team financial future. Is he dead weight in the trading block? No, I don't believe he is, I believe he has value with his contract and what he can bring to a team. Not to be contradictive, but we are a top seed team and most of the league isn't. I personally see Rondo as an option more then ever. Boston is rebuilding and Hill is a reasonable contract for a rebuilding team like Boston when Hill comes with draft picks too. Is 11 mil to much for the Pacers to take on? Yes and no, per production and putting us over the top I see it worth the problem. Trading Cope and letting Scola walk in the summer should get Lance signed. And the team will be so attractive for vets to come here we should be ok.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    As much of a fan of Rondo's game that I am (and believe me, I am a HUGE fan) he would NOT mesh well with Lance. Neither one of them are consistent enough 3 pt threats for our low post style of offense.

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    ........... letting Scola walk in the summer ...........
    Really ?? Do you realize this guy is the best bench player the Pacers have ??

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    I've looooong been a George Hill supporter..but he's played poorly this year. He's lacked aggressiveness/decisiveness, and his defense has been inconsistent. I am not too much fan of a fan of Lance but he's been a better point guard while playing the two, than Hill has.

    Hopefully it's just a slow start, but Hill's inconsistent play is quite frustrating for such a veteran player who has demonstrated the ability to be quite good.
    I can understand why his ppg is down and I expected that with Paul George and Lance's improvements as scorers. I figured that his shots and touches would decrease. What I don't understand is why he's only shooting 40% this season. He's regressed in almost every statistical category this season. These are his numbers over the last 10 games:

    PPG: 8.8
    REB: 4.3
    AST: 3.7
    STL: 1.2
    FG%: .380

    He's given the Pacers next to nothing offensively in their last 4 losses. Here's his averages in the 5 Pacers loses this season:

    PPG: 7.0
    REB: 3.2
    AST: 4.0
    STL: 1.6
    FG%: .270

    Just to be fair, I should also point out how he's played better in more games than he has bad games. Still this just illustrates how his lack of production has directly contributed to 4 of the Pacers 5 losses.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    You remember that Bird traded the majority of the Pacers short-term assets to get Scola, right?

    All the ELITE level PGs that everyone pines for aren't going to be traded.....so, I will ask what I always ask......what Starting level PG do you think that we can get for any combination of GH, Granger, Copeland, OJ, Solo and Mahinmi?
    In order of preference: Goran Dragic, Jeremy Lin, Kyle Lowry, or Jameer Nelson.

    What I would really prefer is that George Hill play better. If he could just get his FG% up to where it was last year, the Pacers would be much better for it.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    CJ's role in the offense is the same as Chalmers role on the Heat....he's supposed to be that guy that facilitates the ball movement, wait at the 3pt line to take a shot, find his shot and take it.

    I don't like that he couldn't hit his shots this game....but what else is CJ supposed to do? His job is to hit 3pt shots and occassionally find a lane and drive to the hoop. Sometimes he hits them in games...other times...he doesn't.


    That's the rest of the Team's and Vogel's fault for not focusing the offense on Hibbert. Now, I can see that this game CJ took some bad shots...but he only took 6 total shots. He didn't go all JR Smith on us and just jacked up shots. He took his shots...he wasn't hitting them...and he stopped.
    Not really sure why you are saying this. I was using watson as an example of us using our people wrong. Not blaming him.

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    Really ?? Do you realize this guy is the best bench player the Pacers have ??
    Do I realize, seriously....something has to give and we will see who goes this summer. You might want to look at team salaries and understand somebody that we all like very much has to go. Just how it is. Not my fault.
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    I will worry about the Hill problem once we get over the Paul problem (celebrating when he shouldn't, begging for whistles, trying to do too much, acting like a superstar when it is the opposite that made him a superstar).

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    Do I realize, seriously....something has to give and we will see who goes this summer. You might want to look at team salaries and understand somebody that we all like very much has to go. Just how it is. Not my fault.

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    I will worry about the Hill problem once we get over the Paul problem (celebrating when he shouldn't, begging for whistles, trying to do too much, acting like a superstar when it is the opposite that made him a superstar).
    yea, I'm with you on this. From my perspective, He seems to cool for school at times, to the point he gets burned on defense. He needs to learn through this process, we know. I made a comment to my son while watching the game, hope he is seeing a good shrink, maybe he needs a better one.. we lol, but there is some truth to it i believe.
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    Somebody is right. Coming up with Luis as the first option is dumbfounding.
    Not first option, just an easy financial release option.

    You know, sometimes we sum things up on here to read between the lines and we dont get each other. It's part of forum talk, especially while at work on a phone.
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    I will worry about the Hill problem once we get over the Paul problem (celebrating when he shouldn't, begging for whistles, trying to do too much, acting like a superstar when it is the opposite that made him a superstar).
    The Paul problem?

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