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    Looking at how Lance has brought it in the last few games pts, wise, even when he's not scoring he is still hitting the boards and dishing the ball. I envision a scenario where he ends up being our starting PG. A healthy Danny slides into being our starting SG. George Hill would be traded, packaged with Orlando, Solomon, or Ian for a back up C and backup SG upgrade. Looking at salaries, moving a starting salary Hill for cheaper bench assets that are also upgrades makes sense. You could re-sign Lance and Danny if they play their cards right. I think Larry knows he cannot net a starting or star quality PG by just trading GH. But I think he hopes Danny returns and rounds into 18 ppg form by the all-star break. This makes Hill very expendable. And in a 3 team deal, Indy could land Afflalo and Big Baby Davis, or Thornton and Jason Thompson in exchange for packaging GH, with Ian, and one of our young guards like Orlando or Solomon.
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    Don't look for Bird to let Hill go after trading K. Leonard to get him. I would look for Lance and Hill to remain the starting backcourt and share PG responsibility just the way they do now. DG at the 2 would be a mistake IMO. Better to play PG at the 2 and DG at the 3 if we don't want to use Danny off the bench. I see Danny, George, Lance and Paul as the guard/wing rotation taking almost all the 144 minutes available by playoff time. The only change to that would be if we lost Roy/Ian or West/Luis for any length of time and had to use Granger as a 4.

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    Someone will need to be moved this summer. If Granger is truly healthy this could be an option. If forced to pick between a healthy Granger and GHill the decision isn't that difficult especially with CJ and Donald as backups.

    edit:with that said there is no money to bring on another big.
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    Don't look for Bird to let Hill go after trading K. Leonard to get him. I would look for Lance and Hill to remain the starting backcourt and share PG responsibility just the way they do now. DG at the 2 would be a mistake IMO. Better to play PG at the 2 and DG at the 3 if we don't want to use Danny off the bench. I see Danny, George, Lance and Paul as the guard/wing rotation taking almost all the 144 minutes available by playoff time. The only change to that would be if we lost Roy/Ian or West/Luis for any length of time and had to use Granger as a 4.

    I can't think of one thing Hill does well though. Every player on our team does one or two things well. George? Not so much.

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    I have been wondering for the last week if a move for Lance to PG may be a scenario we could see at some point in the future.
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    Legend said he thinks Lance can play PG. I agree with him.

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    Lol I love how when Hill has a bad game he gets jumped all over but when Paul or Roy or anyone else does they don't. And then when Hill does have a good game he gets no where near the credit as Paul or Roy does.

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    I can't think of one thing Hill does well though. Every player on our team does one or two things well. George? Not so much.
    Can't say I agree. George Hill does a lot of things well.

    In fact, with a healthy Granger we really have 8 very solid NBA basketball players who could start on most teams in the league. With a healthy Granger and Lance breaking out, we have what is known as "a good problem". But it could turn out to be a very difficult decision depending on how players progress.

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    Lol I love how when Hill has a bad game he gets jumped all over but when Paul or Roy or anyone else does they don't. And then when Hill does have a good game he gets no where near the credit as Paul or Roy does.
    It's more so the glaring ability of Lance Stephenson for the basis of my assertion.
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    Can't say I agree. George Hill does a lot of things well.

    In fact, with a healthy Granger we really have 8 very solid NBA basketball players who could start on most teams in the league. With a healthy Granger and Lance breaking out, we have what is known as "a good problem". But it could turn out to be a very difficult decision depending on how players progress.

    I just see him as a weak link. Maybe it's health? But I'd still prefer someone like Lou Williams. Lou has an off the dribble game that can make something out of broken plays. It's like Lance can attack the rim at will, but what if we had 2 Lances?

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    I also agree with this bit of wisdom. If Lance continues to break out the way he has started the year. If Scola continues to get better and better acclimated to the team's moves and needs and we get a healthy Granger back, we will have a very strong team by the end of the season. The only problem comes when we get to the end and have to face the money we would need to keep this jewel of a team together. If we really have 8 very strong NBA players at playoff time then the hardest part will be keeping them all happy with their time.

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    Lol I love how when Hill has a bad game he gets jumped all over but when Paul or Roy or anyone else does they don't. And then when Hill does have a good game he gets no where near the credit as Paul or Roy does.
    Hill has been bad all year, you can't possibly compare that to the fantastic play of Roy and Paul overall this season. We ignore our point guard's limitations in passing/handling for his scoring...well if the dude is putting up 11 points on 40% shooting there's a problem. Hopefully he picks it up.
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    I also agree with this bit of wisdom. If Lance continues to break out the way he has started the year. If Scola continues to get better and better acclimated to the team's moves and needs and we get a healthy Granger back, we will have a very strong team by the end of the season. The only problem comes when we get to the end and have to face the money we would need to keep this jewel of a team together. If we really have 8 very strong NBA players at playoff time then the hardest part will be keeping them all happy with their time.


    Trading George Hill, Orlando, Ian, and Solomon. As well as cutting Sloan would take care of that. Paul, Roy, and David are the only big contracts we have on our team. In reality, we could switch out Lance's contract with GH. If we keep Granger, or we take his money and sign some better players. The key is trading Hill for expiring contracts or to a team who can just absorb him for a pick.

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    Is it a reasonable assumption that Danny (when healthy) is still an 18ppg player on this squad? By all means, I hope he can be, but even if he is capable of doing so, I don't know if that fits the current team dynamic.

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    Is it a reasonable assumption that Danny (when healthy) is still an 18ppg player on this squad? By all means, I hope he can be, but even if he is capable of doing so, I don't know if that fits the current team dynamic.
    At best Danny is high teens. Back when Troy Murphy and Josh McRoberts were patrolling the paint, it was quite natural for Granger to score 20+. Those days are over for good. I would actually be quite surprised if Danny averages over 15ppg the rest of this year. Heck, I don't even think he'll be healthy enough to stay on the court.

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    This thread is proving "those people" to be correct. I cannot believe we are complaining about George Hill. I bet if we had Magic Johnson's Laker roster from the 80's we'd complain about James Worthy.

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    Is it a reasonable assumption that Danny (when healthy) is still an 18ppg player on this squad? By all means, I hope he can be, but even if he is capable of doing so, I don't know if that fits the current team dynamic.
    Nope, we dont need that from Danny... What we need is for him to play good defense, body up the larger wings that give PG fits... Point production for DG does not even need to get into the double digits for him to be affective for this team... But 12ppg (my prediction) will definately help the offensive woes...

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    Nope, we dont need that from Danny... What we need is for him to play good defense, body up the larger wings that give PG fits... Point production for DG does not even need to get into the double digits for him to be affective for this team... But 12ppg (my prediction) will definately help the offensive woes...
    12ppg from Granger coming off the bench could be the difference between advancing to the finals and watching Miami lose to Portland.

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    George Hill does a lot of things well.
    Agree. There's nothing he's great at, but he's quite good as an overall player.

    And for those thinking that sliding Danny into the SG spot is a good idea - look - he can't even make it on the court. When/if he ever does, do you really think that at his age, with his injury history, with this starting 5 playing so well together, with Danny not having played in such a long time - I could go on - but you get the idea. On another team, Danny might - MIGHT - be considered a starter after proving that he's indeed recovered from his injuries - on this team, he should be glad to be the 7th, 8th or 9th man, accept his role and enjoy the ride.

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    I don't see us re-signing Granger, unless he miraculously can stay healthy for an extended period of time

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    Is it a reasonable assumption that Danny (when healthy) is still an 18ppg player on this squad? By all means, I hope he can be, but even if he is capable of doing so, I don't know if that fits the current team dynamic.
    Certainly, it is more about if he gets enough opportunity to score than ability.

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    The scenario that I want to see is one where this type of thread doesn't pop up every couple of weeks.
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    There is no way that we would trade George Hill. He is in the prime of his career and is one of Bird's favorite players. Plus he has not missed many games over the course of his career. All the team has done since Hill arrived is win a lot of games. He might not be the classic cliche' point guard and he's never going to toss 8 dimes a night, but he is a play maker who continuously finds ways to succeed.

    I don't really care about the labels placed on Hill and Lance. All I care about is the fact that they have been an extremely solid starting backcourt over the last 13 months. Regardless of what title he has, Lance is going to continue to get a ton of opportunities to control the ball and make plays, as will Hill. This is the backcourt of the present and future.

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    No way that Granger moves to starting SG when he becomes healthy. He's not athletic enough (and never was), especially at this point in his career. Lance stays at the 2, PG at the 3, and Danny will come off the bench. I will admit that our hometown hero from IUPUI is likely the weakest link in the starting lineup, but when your worst starter is averaging 11-4-4, you're in a good spot. He fits with the team concept really well both offensively and defensively.

    Trust me, we're fine.

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    If anybody gets dealt this offseason to make room for Lance, I see it being any combination of Scola, Copeland, Watson, Sloan, or Johnson. Solid players and solid deals with only 1 year left on their contract. If we're lucky, we toss Ian into one of those trades. I like Ian, but anytime I can clear $4 million off my books for a backup... I'll do it.

    We've got everything we need with G3, Lance, PG, West, and Hibby. Our bench will always be weak as long as we have those 5 guys. We just have to learn to deal with it and hope we get lucky every once in a while with a Chandler Parsons (or Lance) type guy in the draft. Cheap labor is our friend at this point.

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