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Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

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  • #16
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

    Originally posted by Speed View Post
    Smith always has and always will lose more games with that jumper than win, last night he was just hitting it. It's a 3 to 1 ratio of bad to good at least, as all of Atlanta nods their collective heads in agreement. Then you add in Jennings horrific shot selection. Love Detroits front line, but I still say Smith and Jennings are a recipe for never being a serious contender. I'm guessing in 2 years Detroit fans will have learned to dislike them as much as their previous cities.
    Normally I would agree. Lets see if they can continue to play like this for an extended period of time. But I think Jennings is not playing like he did last year. He is distributing the ball and taking better shots. Smith I have my doubts, and I think Monroe might get frustrated as he becomes the 3rd option. But I think this Pistons team will be a 45 win team when it is all said and done. And if they click consistently and get a shooter (Affalo?) they could seriously contend.

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    • #17
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

      Originally posted by pogi View Post
      Paul George is starting to lose brownie points the last few games. He's forcing/missing shots, making stupid decisions with the ball, guys are backdoor cutting on him as if he's caught gawking at the jumbotron.

      Tonight, with the exception of Lance, Luis, and C.J., they looked disinterested and fatigued. And don't get me started on the rebounds.
      I am not trying to defend PG but he is averaging almost 37 minutes per game while almost always defending the best player of the other team. He is averaging 24 ppg with the other team switching defenders trying to keep fresh legs on him. I am anxious to see if Danny's return will help. PG can not keep up this pace and still have something left for the playoffs. Just my opinion.
      I would rather be the hammer than the nail

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      • #18
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

        Originally posted by Alabama-Redneck View Post
        I am not trying to defend PG but he is averaging almost 37 minutes per game while almost always defending the best player of the other team. He is averaging 24 ppg with the other team switching defenders trying to keep fresh legs on him. I am anxious to see if Danny's return will help. PG can not keep up this pace and still have something left for the playoffs. Just my opinion.
        Then hes not a superstar.

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        • #19
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

          Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
          Then hes not a superstar.
          Then Lebron must not be either since he ask for someone else to help guard PG the last time they met. Not very many "superstars" are 2-way players. That is why Danny's defense fell off the past few years. DG was the only consistent scoring threat and the coach, who's name we can not speak, had him back off on the defensive end.
          I would rather be the hammer than the nail

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          • #20
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

            Detroit matches up very well to us. They have a frontline that's just as strong and formidable as ours, not quite as seasoned but the talent is there. They've got a tweener in Josh Smith that PG struggles to defend, and they have a point guard who can make some plays. It's not a bad loss, and this team was going to lose games to some non-marquee teams. However, we just looked flat. It was one of those games where we needed one of our horses: George, West, and Hibbert to will us to a win.

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            • #21
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

              3/4s aren't the best match ups for Paul at this point in his career. Josh Smith is a big 3 as are Carmello and Lebron. None of those 3 have to try to guard PG by themselves either. Paul would kill 2 of those 3 if they were put on an island defensively like he is and even Lebron would have to use a ton of energy. These guys aren't machines, each has strengths and weaknesses. The idea of Danny is exactly the answer, almost moreso it saves PG as much as what Danny can bring directly.

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              • #22
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

                Originally posted by Alabama-Redneck View Post
                Then Lebron must not be either since he ask for someone else to help guard PG the last time they met. Not very many "superstars" are 2-way players. That is why Danny's defense fell off the past few years. DG was the only consistent scoring threat and the coach, who's name we can not speak, had him back off on the defensive end.
                No he didnt. Scola just posed matchup problems. PG also had 2 days rest and started the game flat.

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                • #23
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

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                  • #24
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

                    Agree with the above.

                    DET is a tough team. If they keep up this rebuilding effort, they will be monsters in a couple of seasons.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

                      If they keep running the offense through Josh Smith on the block, they will be good much sooner than that. If they don't, they will never be, short of another roster overhaul.

                      As I mentioned before, Smith went at Nic Batum on the block Sunday and shot 13/14 inside the paint. Now he's got two consecutive 30+ point games to build on, on combined 57% shooting. Neither of these games were flukes where he shot lights out from the perimeter. Either this continues or it doesn't, but it's all up to him.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

                        From Peck's original post:

                        Lance and Paul got into a shouting match with each other on the bench tonight. It was over an offensive possession early in the 4th (I think) but it was pretty heated for a few min.
                        I noticed a similar thing a couple games ago. Paul hit a late three pointer, and while turning to the crowd celebrating (channel JO, if you will), everyone else headed down the floor. The other team beat our guys and Paul started to yell at Lance over the play. Lance, in turn, gave Paul some grief. I can only assume he was telling Paul he should have gotten back on defense instead of showing off for the fans.

                        Now, I understand that Lance was in a better position (having been near the top of the key) than Paul (his three had been some the sideline) to get back down the court, but a guy who is soaking in the fans adoration instead of hustling should not be telling another player off about defense.

                        I like both these guys, but that is my take on it. Quit celebrating while the action is still going on.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

                          Originally posted by Tom White View Post
                          From Peck's original post:



                          I noticed a similar thing a couple games ago. Paul hit a late three pointer, and while turning to the crowd celebrating (channel JO, if you will), everyone else headed down the floor. The other team beat our guys and Paul started to yell at Lance over the play. Lance, in turn, gave Paul some grief. I can only assume he was telling Paul he should have gotten back on defense instead of showing off for the fans.

                          Now, I understand that Lance was in a better position (having been near the top of the key) than Paul (his three had been some the sideline) to get back down the court, but a guy who is soaking in the fans adoration instead of hustling should not be telling another player off about defense.

                          I like both these guys, but that is my take on it. Quit celebrating while the action is still going on.
                          Both are equally guilty of that

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                          • #28
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

                            Originally posted by Peck View Post
                            My other question is really more of a philosophical thing & I know a lot of coach’s don’t believe in doing it but to me it just makes sense. When Lance hit that three to bring us to two why not foul Andre Drummond on purpose? He was still in the game and there is no way in hell he would have hit 2 free throws, he might have hit 1 but no way would he have hit 2.
                            We could not do that. The game was within the last two minutes. You cannot do "hack-a-Shaq" in the final two minutes because any off-the-ball foul in that time period means that the offensive team retains possession after the free throws.
                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
                            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

                              It seems like Paul's head hasn't been 100% in the game the last couple of games. Last night was the worst game I have seen him play since early last year. I think all the hype he has gotten and plus it being Christmastime is affecting his concentration. He is a newlywed too... Lord knows that will distract a man. I hope he gets his focus back soon.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Odd Thoughts: Toughness....Imported from Detroit

                                Originally posted by Alabama-Redneck View Post
                                I am not trying to defend PG but he is averaging almost 37 minutes per game while almost always defending the best player of the other team. He is averaging 24 ppg with the other team switching defenders trying to keep fresh legs on him. I am anxious to see if Danny's return will help. PG can not keep up this pace and still have something left for the playoffs. Just my opinion.
                                If you're guarding a player who does a backdoor cut and is wide open, unless you got pic'ed, YOU were not paying attention. I've seen a few different players get Paul at this. Matter-of-fact, if I remember right Charlotte did it almost back-to-back possessions. That's on Paul not watching what's going on, and/nor paying attention. Plus, shooting contested shots shouldn't get blamed on fatigue

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