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    Zach Lowe predicted this little slump for PG last month. His mid range percentages were unsustainable.
    Paul was also taking much better jumpers earlier in the season. Lately, he's been forcing contested jumpers, or shots completely outside the flow of the offense. He's not only been putting up bad shots, but he's also been forcing the issue with his attempted creating and passing. Paul still needs to learn what is a good shot and when he should take it. If he ever learns that, those "%s" are very sustainable.

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    Isn't it common for NBALP to black out Teams that play in your TV Market?

    I guess is sucks cuz you get a double-whammy cuz you are located in an area ( I assume ) is covered by the Pistons and Cavs....but whenever the Pacers play the Warriors....it's blacked out on NBALP for me. I thought that this is just normal
    The worst part is that you cannot even go back and watch previous games of the team that falls in your market... Which really sucks for me because while I am at work (where I watch most games) I am 60 miles north of Indy, yet I cannot go back and watch the games that were already played while I am here...

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    Plumlee reminds me of a young Dale Davis. Good rebounding and he contests shots well on defense and his offensive game is very raw just like DD's was coming out of college.
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    How on earth do you get such a clear picture?

    Do you use a ZOOM lens? I thought that they don't allow you do use one at games.
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    This is the first bad loss of the season. This one stings a bit.
    "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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    The funny thing is, I thought we played Portland better than either Miami or Indiana.

    Oh well, a win's a win.

    The only encouraging thing I take away from this game was that josh smith has spent the last two games now getting his *** in the post. Even when he's being backed off, he isn't settling.

    I'm also becoming increasingly aware that the only guy keeping josh smith out of the paint is josh smith. He backs down quicker forwards and blows by bigger ones.

    Just a meaningless December contest. This team is way too young and inexperienced to feel good about anything right now.
    Wow, I can't stand Detroit, I would be happy if they relocated, in fact, I would lol and drink a beer. But, I give them more props then a fan...hmm.
    As I said before, I want nothing to do with them in playoffs, you should try to give them more credit in this young season. They will continue to get much better, stronger, smarter and when chemistry starts to gel, well, It will be a said day for me. Arrrhhggg...lol!
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    Wow, I can't stand Detroit, I would be happy if they relocated, in fact, I would lol and drink a beer. But, I give them more props then a fan...hmm.
    As I said before, I want nothing to do with them in playoffs, you should try to give them more credit in this young season. They will continue to get much better, stronger, smarter and when chemistry starts to gel, well, It will be a said day for me. Arrrhhggg...lol!
    Detroit is definitely better than their record. They are never winning a championship with this mix of players .... but they're way too talented to be under .500
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    Really bad rebounding, and there is no excuse for Drummond to shoot less than 20 free throws a game. He should have been fouled every possession in the 4th quarter when he was on the court.

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    Not gonna overreact based on where this team is trending, but a few things...

    1. I'm not thrilled with where this team has been (mostly mentally) defensively for the last 4-5 games now. It seems like there are way too many open backdoor cuts, and just some effort/concentration issues atypical of what should be a historic-best defense.

    2. Rebounds remain an issue, though Detroit will outrebound everyone this year.

    3. I understand Paul George is going to have off nights shooting. But it's something more than that these past few games. He's not getting back on D. He's falling asleep on D. He's taking contested threes instead of driving (until later in this game). Fouling because he's getting out of position and losing focus. He just doesn't seem locked in. Now, if anything locks him in, it should be Miami. But if he's going to invite himself into the superstar conversation, he needs to show up at least on one end of the court every night. He's just playing unfocused ball these last few games.

    4. George Hill has to figure out a way to make a mark on the game, too.

    5. What is a 5 count?
    Can't thank this post enough. You pretty much said everything I wanted to say. Not thrilled with PG at all lately. Just because your offensive game is in a slump, that's no excuse to slack off on the defensive end. The whole team brought no energy and intensity tonight. I saw a Pistons fast break where one Pacer hustled back and the rest of the guys were jogging up court. This was not a back to back so no excuse for anything less than maximum effort.

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    Wow, I can't stand Detroit, I would be happy if they relocated, in fact, I would lol and drink a beer. But, I give them more props then a fan...hmm.
    As I said before, I want nothing to do with them in playoffs, you should try to give them more credit in this young season. They will continue to get much better, stronger, smarter and when chemistry starts to gel, well, It will be a said day for me. Arrrhhggg...lol!
    I'll give them credit when they've earned it. All they earned today was one win.

    I said they would be bad when the year started because chemistry would take much longer to develop with such an unorthodox roster.

    I did anticipate them being much better by the end of the season because of the unique matchup problems they present, but they have to actually show me before I jump on the bandwagon.

    My goal for them was 19 wins before January. If they fail to do that, I'll set a new one and keep setting them until they finally achieve one, or simply fall short of my expectations.
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    Yea...one of the supposedly best starting 5's in the league sure seems like theyve been digging alot of 1st quarter holes recently...holes that the team spends the rest of the game trying to dig out of

    We got off to great starts against the Clippers, T'Wolves, Pistons (1st game in Detroit), Wizards, and Grizzlies.

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    By the way, Paul jammed his finger against Orlando back on the 30th. It's still swollen as of December. Not sure if he needs to ice it more or maybe get some cortozone shots into it. Does explain why he's not driving to the hoop like he did in the last playoff series vs Miami. Must be hard to dunk with that finger. Taping the finger together with another finger is actually the way to go. However, Paul shouldn't be playing because a jammed finger only gets better if you take some time away from a sport. Constant playing makes it worse. Hence why it's still swollen.
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    Honestly I have been disappointed with George Hill, he hasn't been aggressive in many games besides 4, and always looks so hesitant. There comes a point it's like come on man, we need you.

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    watching this game when it became more apparent in the third quarter that we were going to lose the only thing on my mind was I really hope these guys get matched up with Miami in the playoffs because they will force Miami to actually work for it and because they play a similar style to us and that gives Miami trouble.

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    Since we are talking about Rebounding this game.....or the lack thereof....I checked the Rebounding Stats from this year compared to last year:

    2012-2013 Overall
    - 45.8 Total Rebound Per Game ( 1st ) / 33 Defensive Rebounds Per Game ( 5th ) / 12.8 Offensive Rebounds Per Game ( 2nd )

    2013-2014 through 24 games
    - 44.2 Total Rebound Per Game ( 10th ) / 34.2 Defensive Rebounds Per Game ( 4th ) / 10 Offensive Rebounds Per Game ( 25th )

    I know that this is just a 24 game sample where we are roughly 1/4 of the way through the season....but I'm a little troubled by the lack of Offensive Rebounding here. I'd figure that by replacing Hansbrough with Scola that we'd be better or ( at most ) any worse.

    But there is one thing that I noticed as I went through the Stats and comparing the seasons....the difference that Hansbrough made on the Team.

    Before you go into shock cuz you know as well as I do that Hansbrough was a below average Rebounder.....yes, there is a million reasons why we may not miss Hansbrough.....overall inability to hit his midrange shot, his lack of any real vertical jump, his knack for getting most of his shots blocked. But there is one thing that he does do that is WAY BETTER than Scola...it's his ability to crash the Offensive Boards. He averaged 2+ Offensive Rebounds a game while averaging 16 mpg throughout the season. Just for comparison....Scola averages .8 Offensive Rebounds per game in more minutes. This isn't an anamoly....Hansbrough is doing the same thing in Toronto.

    I am guessing that Scola does camp further away from the basket cuz of his ACTUAL ability to hit a Mid-range jumpshot....thus making it harder for him to pull down offensive rebounds. But doesn't Vogel compensate for this by having our Wing Players go after Offensive boards? I'm guessing that Lance or PG24 does that...but something is missing here.

    PLEASE NOTE, I am referring to Offensive Rebounding for this Team OVERALL.....not just this game. You guys would know better than I would.....but has our offense and defense changed from this year to last year to account for the lack of Offensive Rebounding? Are we rushing back on defense or preventing Fast Breaks that would account for this? What are we doing with Scola now that we aren't doing before with Hansbrough?

    Before someone suggests to go after a Rebounding specialist ( << cough cough vnzla81 cough cough Reggie Evans >> ) , I'm not suggesting that we do....I suspect that not having Hansbrough on the Team makes somewhat of a difference....but I am trying to find something else that could explain this lack of Offensive Rebounding.
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    I agree, Hill was not able to guard him.
    Hill couldn't guard some point guards. Couldn't say for sure which types(athletic-non-athletic, scoring-passfirst). Not hating though but I just noticed. I thought Westbrook owned him in the OKC loss, Lillard too in the Portland loss. I like his cool demeanor and all but overall I'm not really confident with his ability to defend point guards esp the really good ones. Is this related to a nagging injury we don't know about? He had to sit out a couple games before due to his hip right?

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    Eh, I'm okay with not being the best team in the league. At least people will stop saying it now. I'd rather be an underdog.

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    The funny thing is, I thought we played Portland better than either Miami or Indiana.

    Oh well, a win's a win.

    The only encouraging thing I take away from this game was that josh smith has spent the last two games now getting his *** in the post. Even when he's being backed off, he isn't settling.

    I'm also becoming increasingly aware that the only guy keeping josh smith out of the paint is josh smith. He backs down quicker forwards and blows by bigger ones.

    Just a meaningless December contest. This team is way too young and inexperienced to feel good about anything right now.
    Took you a while. You must have been watching the Lions' game.
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    I enjoyed those photos Rat, thanks.
    I missed the game. Who's blood's Roy wearing?

    I was concerned about this game. Had not the Piston's went OT last night I'da put money on them to take us down.

    We were (as my Scotch Irish, red haired mother used to say):
    "cruisin' for a brusin'"

    We'd got a little soft.
    Read our own press and figured we could drift on by Mondays schedule...
    and looked a little over the Piston's shoulder.

    And we got spanked!

    Sorry. Ouch.

    Our lil brother Paul George just does not yet have enough mass to deal with some of the larger wings in the league.
    Just like Labron figured out that fighting DWest in the post is not great for his forth quarter sprint. Paul, likewise, is a little beyond his weight class to tangle, all night long, with some of these guys.

    Danny Granger to the rescue!

    Some good posts tonight.
    Special thanks to Dr. Hibbert who laid it out pretty nice.
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    If you can get the opposing coach's phone number, you could make a lot of money

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    I missed the game. Who's blood's Roy wearing?
    His own blood, from a major elbow to the jaw. I think Josh Smith, not sure. Regardless, it was a key play in the game, a bad call that should have gone our way and easily could have tipped the game toward us.

    On the replay you could see Roy's head flying backward. Pretty violent, really. They called Roy for the foul.

    30 seconds later he had blood all over his mouth and jersey.
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    Took you a while. You must have been watching the Lions' game.
    No, I had to leave for work at halftime. Believe it or not, I was more interested in this game.

    I love the lions, don't get me wrong, but I'm not naive. One team has consistently exceeded my expectations, and the other has consistently failed me. Wasn't hard to grasp how both games were likely going to end.

    I know a death march when I see one.
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    I'll give them credit when they've earned it. All they earned today was one win.

    I said they would be bad when the year started because chemistry would take much longer to develop with such an unorthodox roster.

    I did anticipate them being much better by the end of the season because of the unique matchup problems they present, but they have to actually show me before I jump on the bandwagon.

    My goal for them was 19 wins before January. If they fail to do that, I'll set a new one and keep setting them until they finally achieve one, or simply fall short of my expectations.
    I get what your saying, I look at the Pistons as getting out of that bad funk they was in. They have gotten a couple solid draft picks. Allowed bad contracts to expire while rebuilding. They very much are in a position the Pacers was in just acouple years ago. Pacers got Hill and West and they got Jennings and Smoove. With all the baggage that comes with those two, if they get their act together, they will be better then our two. Jennings and Smoove are just better players. So, this is why I feel they have a big time chance to do well by season end. If they could land a trade soon for a high quality SG, Look out.

    Between Pope, Jerebco *sp, Charlie V. , Rodney and picks, they could land a high quality sg.

    Guess you could say I have been on the Piston's bandwagon since summer, but I would rather burn it...lol
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    Man!
    I think the worst kind of foul...
    HAS to be the bloody kind...that you do with your face...
    I hate it when that happin's!
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    There is no question as to what lost us the game. Giving up 20 offensive rebounds will never result in a win.
    I looked this up for the hell of it because I was curious.

    Since 1985-86 (and including last night's game), the Pacers are 96-72 when letting their opponent get 20 or more offensive rebounds. That record dropped to 94-70 for games in which the Pacers also grabbed less than 20 offensive boards themselves.

    Huh. Wouldn't have guessed that.

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